Kenny Hates Prospects

I guess if you want to google each post you could and click the cache link, then you could view the whole thread. I don't really that much though. So this guy is legit then. Has he given any info since that has also turned out to be accurate?

Here we go Yall can read with me http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/sear...=clnk&gl=us

Did spataro51 at any point mention Clemens was a closet pedo who was waiting for a little girl to grow up so he could pork her? Because that part is pretty f***ed up and that would have definitely made me trust that source. If anyone can get a working link or an archived piece of the post you could post it here. BTW I know I'm being a smelly butthole but that's what I always do. Lo siento.

Okay, so spataro51 is the source that said Clemens and Damon juiced. Then other sites ran with it after SI drew attention to it. It turned out to be true. How is that evidence of a poster's sources being accurate? I mean I'd believe they were accurate but only if the source turned out to be accurate about something else as well, specifically something a bit less obvious as a high-profile star in his 40's being a roider.

Okay, so a poster claimed Damon and Clemens were juicers, and then SI found this thread and said the rumor started at SoxTalk and wrote an article about it? How does that validate anything? You could take any two high-profile names in MLB around that period, claim they were juicers, and more often than not you'd probably end up right about it. The thread where the sources were named is broken. Going through the thread I found it seems like it scared the s*** out of the mods here thinking they'd get sued. Doesn't sound like anything I'd even want to bring attention to. The breaking of the Wilder scandal is still bigger IMO. And from what I've seen of this I wouldn't consider the Clemens thread evidence of anything, although I haven't read the article or the original thread. Maybe I'm just clueless.

Ope, here it is http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=47842 I'll check this out

Google search yielded nothing. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?

Which story? The roids or the pedo part? Or something else?

I'd take a flier on Derek Lee depending on the price.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 09:19 PM) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. National Exposure HAHAHAHA. You're killing me, trying to make this board sound important. Sources outed ahahahahahahah. Sources like the best man at the wedding? Even if KW himself logged on here and told us about a trade it would still be meaningless. It's a public league, absolutely nothing about a message board would ever have any tangible relevance. We're just fans, not Watergate investigators. Nothing personal man, but cmon, you can't act like this board has street cred or that it's above the common fan; it's not, this is the common fan. Go White Sox. It seems like we get shunned actually. There was some rumor here that wouldn't get posted on MLBTR. IIRC that was the AGon rumor last year. To this day the brightest SoxTalk inside info moment I've seen is the poster who revealed the Dave Wilder scandal well before anything came out on it. I still miss that guy He should come back.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 07:27 PM) Or the fake story about AJ kicking someone in the balls. The bottom line is I still think AJ comes back to the Sox. Offering him arb hurt him going to other teams and made it more likely he would accept and the Sox would be on the hook for $7-8 million. As the other options go off the board, bringing back AJ at a lower price is eventually going to make the most sense. Assuming no one else goes crazy and gives him a big payday. JR called him his favorite player. He even said they had the same sense of humor. The stories about AJ being a total douchebag are blown out of proportion. Supposedly he has really mellowed in recent years. I don't understand the AJ hate. Apparently many have forgotten the days of Jorge Fabergas and Ben Davis and Mark Johnson. This is so important. Over the last few decades it goes 1) Carlton Fisk, 2) AJ Pierzynski and then there's quite a drop off to the Sandy Alomar and Ron Karkovice territory. It amazes me how people think AJ is so easily replaceable when everything from year to year stats, the free agent market, the trade market, and our own history seem to refute that at every turn. AJ is not elite, but he's very good. And I can go along with a different direction in the future because eventually we'll have to, but right now there's no way you want to turn this kind of pitching staff over to some incompetent fool.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 05:54 PM) Ozzie. The rest of your post is fluff. But Ozzie is the focus, always has been, always will be. If you want players that are team leaders, well it has changed by the year. Dustin Hermanson for example was a very vocal leader as was Aaron Rowand. You would be surprised how influential guys like Dye and Willie Harris were on the team. Mark is definitely up there and is one of the longest tenured players on the squad, but so is Konerko as well. Oh come on. I thought we were talking about players and then you pull the manager card. If you do that then I'll pull the owner card and say this is Jerry's team. The focus here hasn't been on Ozzie, it's been (supposedly) on pitching, defense, and fundamental baseball. It's the "you don't take donkeys to the Kentucky Derby" stuff that got Ozzie hired. Kenny didn't hire Ozzie because he wanted to be bothered with off-field headaches all day, he did it to win baseball games. MB is far and away the best example of what Ozzie and Kenny set out as their mission statement starting in 2004 and going forward.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 05:52 PM) But now you can sign him at a more reasonable rate. I'd still not be opposed to offering him arb and overpaying that one season vs. risking his signing elsewhere. +1 If we can't win in 2011 with MB and Edwin on the staff, and with Danks and Floyd still very cheap relative to their talents, and with (hopefully) Peavy back for at least the majority of the season, then we may as well reload it for 2012 and beyond afterwards anyway. Which would mean AJ on a one-year deal doesn't hurt us. IMO, that $1-2M potential overpayment through arb - which BTW is still no guarantee, I mean the Sox can argue against him and his camp - has a much better chance of helping us than hurting us in light of the alternatives. It's certainly not a waste of money like the Linebrink+Teahen+Pierre 3-headed monster of suck is.

I'll bet the sources on this AJ crap are Phony Baloney Oney and his furry friend Joe Cowley.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 05:17 PM) WHy does it take courage to post something supportive of a player on a message board? Maybe people are just stating their opinions on the direction the team should go. Because when it comes to AJ SoxTalk posters seem to love to posting garbage like that stuff above about Gerald Laird and a 95-year-old Gregg Zaun. Or that s*** about Tyler Flowers I read about a thousand times over the spring when AJ started out so poorly. Oh, AJ's OPS sucks, Tyler is going to be sooo much better! It's soooo easy! And then you've got the rest of the board talking about what a meany he is, how no one likes him. Boo hoo. Yeah, it takes the courage of a real Sox fan like Steve for instance to stand up to these people and let them know what's really up. QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 05:17 PM) And pitchers arent really the pulse of a team, as much as I like Mark Buehrle, he is the core of the pitching staff, but not necessarily the team. Well, what's the main thing here since Ozzie took over? The main focus, at least publicly? Pitching. And MB is the face of that. He's also the most nationally recognized player on the team by far. This is his team. LOL, I mean, who else's team would it be? AJ or PK's? They're FA. Danks and Floyd are in trade rumors. Peavy can't pitch. Beckham isn't doing anything notable right now. If it's not MB then who is it? QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 05:17 PM) None of this posturing means much anyway. AJP isnt worth what he would have gotten in arb, he may sign a 2 year deal for less per year in the next few weeks anyway with the Sox. His agent is still talking with the Sox, nothing is decided yet, so some of the whining is a bit premature. I don't think he would have taken arb. I think that as a soon-to-be 34-year-old catcher he would be looking for the most guaranteed money possible. And with Buck getting 3/$18, and with VMart gone, I can definitely see another team offering him enough to pass on arb - especially a team with a bottom-15 record.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 05:02 PM) Eh, his teammates like him, and the White Sox will bring him back if the price is right. Speaking of "price is right", Jermaine Dye was on his fake Price is Right thing for the wrestling show; he's beloved by most of his teammates and I challenge you to find a White Sox player speaking out against AJ Pierzynski. This sounds like overreaction and someone running his mouth acting like the big dog and thinking he's Kool and the Gang. You can't lump AJ in with Cabrera and Swisher, it just doesn't fit. THANK YOU Swisher is the lamest, fakest, dumbest, meatheaddiest waste of talent I've seen on this team. If AJ had that much raw talent he'd have an MVP locked up somewhere. And OC is a p****. Nuff said.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 04:49 PM) Preach. If on-field interactions say anything, the players love AJ. I'll take Mark Buehrle's word over anyone talking about hush-hush interactions they had with his best man blah blah. "My feeling is that A.J. has a better chance than Konerko [to return]," Buehrle said. "I don't know. It's just from talking to Konerko and hearing the stuff he said. I don't know what the deal is with other teams offering money and a better situation for his family. I just feel that A.J. has a better chance of coming back. I'd love to have both back. They have been the core of this team." That's from the most respected member of the White Sox and arguably the face of the franchise. Get out of here with this "you won't BELIEVE what we know from behind the scenes! I GOT INSIDE INTEL." Well, I have published quotes from players who want AJ back, and gauging what is available on the market, give me f***ing AJ Pierzynski. He started slow, but you're getting a guy who can handle all of our pitchers, knows our pitchers, is a huge hit amongst the Spanish-speaking players on the roster, and can hit .275 with decent pop. Yeah I'm gonna have to go ahead and give this one the seal of approval. Thank you for standing up for AJ in a time of need. I wish more Sox fans shared your courage. BTW Mark Buehrle is still the pulse of this baseball team. He's just like Catfish Hunter dadgummit.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 04:56 PM) Well, the only person with 100% legit inside information was the one talking about the Sox trying to trade AJP for anything last season without finding any takers. Please. AJ to Texas was all over MLBTR. You don't have to have insider info to say the Sox are shopping AJ, and you don't need insider info to say "no one wanted him" when the Sox didn't make a deal. I don't get the PK-Thome-Dye NWO Wolfpack thing either. If they had so much influence then why are 2 of them gone with AJ still possibly coming back?

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 04:29 PM) He's just a difficult person to get along with. Even the best man at his wedding told me that no one actually gets along well with AJ. I'm surprised things have stayed so strong between him and the Sox this long. Even if this is true I really don't care. He's clean and he plays hard. He does his job well. If anyone on the Sox is more interested in getting along at backyard BBQs then they can get the hell off this team. I care about winning and postseason baseball, which unfortunately AJ has probably experienced more than any other Sox player sans Andruw and Omar. I don't care if they all hate each other and they all want to rip each other's throats out after the season. Just win. AJ gives the team the best chance of winning of all the realistic options out there. And if Kenny is concerned about getting along with people then he can go f*** off too, because he can't get along with anyone himself, and he's the one who brought in notorious cancer Manny Ramirez to right a ship that only sunk because he couldn't offer Mr. SuperFriendlyILoveYou Jim Thome a $1M contract in the spring.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 04:28 PM) No, some of us ride him harder because he spent most of last season hitting like Brian Anderson. He hit that way in the first half. Saying he hit that way most of the season is untrue. He had poor offensive months in May and July, but everyone has slumps during the year. It was primarily his .169/.229/.200/.429 line in 71 March/April PA that took his numbers way down from his career averages.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 04:15 PM) It wouldn't surprise me at all to see another catcher here next year, and the act of AJ is the primary reason why. What act? The only place I read about that is here and it's from the same "sources" every time. I don't buy it. AJ shows up and plays baseball. The only thing I care about is putting down the fingers, blocking balls in the dirt, and hitting a little bit. AJ does all three, but I think because he does it with fire and a little bit of flair people ride him harder. It's unfair IMO.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 04:09 PM) You ever think maybe AJP has worn out his welcome here? The Sox were definitely looking to trade him last season, but no one wanted him. Luckily for AJP, he hit well the last few months or else he'd be looking at a much smaller deal. And I'm sorry, but 1-2 million dollars is a lot of money for the Sox in situations like this. This "no one wanted him" crap is simply you making stuff up. You have no proof he was unwanted and you have no idea what Kenny was asking in return. $1-2M is practically nothing especially when it makes our bajillion dollar starting rotation better. The Sox needs this offseason are pitching, defense, LH bat. AJ helps that pitching and therefore the defense by giving the vets someone they can feel comfortable throwing to. IMO it is disrespectful to the game of baseball itself to suggest that what AJ brings to the teams he plays for goes no further than OPS and VORP and all that garbage. If that were true the Miguel Olivos of the world - the next best thing on the market BTW - wouldn't have to play organizational musical chairs every single year. If that were true Tyler Flowers would already have the job because apparently it's so easy for him to replace AJ's production.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 04:04 PM) AJP for 7-8 million would have been an atrocious contract. I'm happy to see them looking elsewhere or trying to get him for cheaper. Yeah because overpaying by $1-2M on a one-year deal in order to put something legitimate behind the plate during the last season Mark Buehrle and Edwin Jackson have on their contracts is really atrocious. Jesus Christ.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 04:00 PM) Really? A 33 year old catcher with a .688 OPS? Check the market and check AJ's track record. And check what catchers hit period. And check his typical .299/.315/.403 second half.

QUOTE (skidoochic @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 03:53 PM) Why don't they want A.J. back?? Flowers is no good and Castro is average. At least A.J. brings team chemistry and his darn good looks! Holy s***, whoever you are you need to post like all the time. Seriously.