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QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 11, 2010 -> 09:09 PM) No way Toronto trades him. They got him under contract for cheap for the next 4 years I think. The Jays are rebuilding, but Lind is a huge part of their plan. Agree. I'm just saying that in the event we put together this package for AllStar Rental X we should call up the Jays before we sign off on the deal and offer that package to them first. But yeah, Lind is a stud. I guess I'm just ready to see Kenny seriously rip off Toronto for the third time. As far as Nolasco though, I'd definitely be up for it but it would be costly (Hudson+) and I'm not so sure the years at the price in dollars is worth what we'd have to give up. The Marlins certainly wouldn't dump him because he's got a nice arm. Edit: I'd definitely trade Flowers and all kinds of other stuff for him, but Viciedo would be off limits for me and Hudson might too, even though Nolasco has the higher ceiling, because Huddy might be a bit better bet in our park, and if the two end up even close in terms of ability to get MLB hitters out, I'd rather have 6 years of Hudson of which 3 are at the minimum.

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PS if we're going way under the radar on young guys I want to know what Toronto would ask for Lind. That dude can be scary even though he's not doing too great now.

All this talk about luck and FIP makes me want to sabre with you.

QUOTE (Real @ Jul 11, 2010 -> 07:46 PM) Ok, so you can DEAL (send to Team X), a 2010 pick only once the calender turns to 2011? Basically what I'm asking is, if Chris Sale was an interest to the Brewers for Fielder, and let's say Hudson as well, and maybe throw in Morel, could we include Sale as a PTBNL, and then send him to the Brewers next year? I think I heard a few years ago that you can't do this, but I don't remember It goes by signing date, not drafting date. Unlike the NBA where teams can trade exclusive negotiation rights you can't do that in MLB. I believe that in MLB the draft date means next to nothing, it's all about the signing date. The rule is the player has to be in the organization for one full year, but PTBNLs can happen way sooner. I think it's like 6 months or something. But that doesn't matter either because you never ever see that and never will. PTBNLs are always from a pool of players when the deal is going to be completed at a much later date, and the only times you see a specific player go as a PTNBL it's in a deal that is completed relatively quickly and the only reason for the PTBNL designation is to skirt some rule (like Gio coming to the Sox in Floyd-Garcia deal officially as a PTBNL). But anyway, you will never see a specific player in a big deal put that far out simply because of the enormous risk involved (what if a team agrees to take Sale and in the mean time Sale blows his elbow out?) and also because, as a centerpiece, the Sox don't have a bunch of comparable, Sale-like pieces to put in a player pool. A given team that would be so in love with Sale that they'd view the Sox offer as the best offer wouldn't just accept a Jordan Danks should Sale get hurt, and probably not a Hudson, Flowers, or Viciedo either.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Jun 27, 2010 -> 05:16 PM) P4P rankings are a joke anyways. It's so subjective so it is impossible to really say. Plus so many fighter cut weight these days to make smaller classes. Atleast Anderson has the balls to move up and fight 205ers. BJ Penn too isnt afraid to step up either, unlike GSP. Fedor is soft and most likely could cut to 205 but he doesnt. And the UG is reminding me a lot why that place sucks. I mean it's not like Fedor lost to some TUF winner(cough, GSP,cough). It's MMA and anyone who fights at the highest of levels will eventually lose. I find it funny how many quickly dismissed Serra's upset and called it a fluke but so many are saying Werdum would "dominate" Fedor again. I'm a huge Fedor fan but I'm not shocked. Maybe its because how he lost, it wasnt like he got punished for 3 rounds or got KOed and we saw him asleep. It seems like ever since M-1 started bringing Fedor over here to fight, he's been a puppet to them even more to gain attention. Maybe now we'll see if he focuses more and picks himself up. And if he does keep fighting, hopefully be more active in it. Either way, it'll take a lot for someone to surpass him as the greatest of all time. GSP supposedly does want to move up but he wants to make it a permanent move (can't really argue with that) so he's been bulking up. After the Kos rematch he'll get Shields and that should be it for him at WW, at least one would hope. M-1 hasn't done one damn thing that's good for Fedor. They're a joke all the way around and hopefully Aleks and Mousasi get him to ditch those jagbags. Whatever Fedor's stake in the company is, it probably won't be worth jack s*** one year from now anyway given the people in charge. I generally ignore the UG after PPVs because there is always a ton of stupidity going around. Last time it was like 2/3 the board saying Chuck didn't get hit hard by Franklin and yadda yadda yadda, Chuck was never any good and Tito would destroy him now (really, the broken skull Tito), all kinds of bulls***. It was the same s*** with Machida, and it'll be the same s*** with the Lesnar-Carwin loser and everyone else. It's just crazy how people can watch a fight and then spout some of this dumb crap off afterwards, but I guess it's the same thing as here on this board. So-and-so the AAAA player has a strong year and all kinds of people think he's a sure-fire superstar while someone else who is supremely talented (like Rios last year) really struggles and then people think he's done. Just retarded. It's obvious what Fedor did wrong, and at this point you can't even blame Fedor himself for that, it's more M-1's fault IMO. But he'll come back strong.

Fedor is still the best HW of all time (and therefore the guy who would win the most fights of all time if there were no weight classes) but I'm glad the loss came because I'm sick of the people who think it's a joke to even question anyone other than Fedor as the P4P best. Fedor never has and probably never will face the quality of P4P opposition that exists in the other weight classes because the HW division has been the last division to evolve, and that's just really happening now. There simply has never been the quality of all-around fighter and all-around athlete at HW that there is everywhere else, so at best you have to guess that Fedor would still be the best HW in the world even if HW versions of some of the guys GSP has dispatched (for example) existed and fought him. Seriously, CC and Nog were probably the only guys Fedor has fought in the last several years worthy of any kind of P4P ranking. Lindland was probably the next closest (and would have been wholly undeserving of that status) and Lindland is a damn MW, and Fedor still had some trouble there and had to grab the ropes in the fight. And what really got to me about the Fedor = best P4P debate was the fact that so many people would point to his record as evidence as well as his sheer win total. A lot of those wins are spectacular wins no doubt (or at least they were at the time), but a lot of them aren't worth two s***s to be honest. And furthermore, a loss on a record shouldn't hurt anyone's case in the P4P argument unless it was very recent and a bad one. Take GSP for instance. There's no way GSP is the fighter he is today without suffering those losses to Hughes and Serra. I can definitely see people pointing to BJ's losses to Edgar and Pulver as reasons for claiming he's not a top P4P fighter despite having top P4P abilities, but I can't see anyone saying anything against GSP for his losses since GSP has come back from each one of them to dominate *even better* opponents than the ones he originally lost to. I also think Fedor will be the same way as GSP and I think he will come back even stronger because of this loss. In fact, maybe at this point Fedor needed that loss. Maybe he was getting complacent. Maybe he needs to be challenged. Werdum is a very good fighter but he's not at the bottom of the HW rankings by accident, and if Fedor really does want to end his career with a bang and take out the big guns in the UFC then he will have to approach his fights a lot differently in the future. AA, Sylvia, and Rogers were impressive wins, but make no mistake, all three of those guys get their asses handed to them in the UFC right now by guys who aren't even in the immediate title picture. I don't want any of this to sound like Fedor hate either, because you still have to look at his career in totality and say that up to at least a couple of years ago he has been the GOAT, and when it's all said and done Fedor should always be one of those fighters who ends up in the GOAT conversation. But I'm just glad to see some of the embarrassing nuthuggery go (even though seeing all the people s***ting on Fedor now is actually even worse) because when you look at the P4P debate objectively it really isn't even close to being clear-cut. And if anyone is in the lead right now IMO it should be between Aldo (who is actually a 135lb. fighter competing a weight class above where he should be and threatening to take on some 155ers) and GSP. But then again you have to also look at Frankie Edgar as a 145lber who has strung off a s*** ton of impressive victories (including one over the LW GOAT) at a weight class above his natural one, and you never see him mentioned as a top P4P fighter. But yeah, the waters are really freaking muddy in that debate, and the "yer a n00b if u think any1 but Fedor is p4p #1" bulls*** deserves to die a horrible death.

I hope he breaks his leg as soon as he's healthy and then I hope he gets abducted by aliens.

If the grass is all wet and players are falling all over themselves today then BP can sponsor each spill of the afternoon. Jajajajaja. What I love about this game is that it's yet another pitching matchup that totally favors us. That's been happening a lot lately. Greinke is the only one coming up that is particularly worrisome, but for whatever reason we seem to do a lot better against him than the rest of the universe does, so maybe we can take that one too.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jun 27, 2010 -> 08:55 AM) what's with all the teahen love now? having teahen back means our defense will suck again at third, part of the reason why we have been good lately is vizquel's defense at third. LaRoche is not a liability defensively like Teahen is, he can more than enough handle first base. teahen is always going to be a bottom of the order hitter, will not hit over 16 HR, or be a run producer. but LaRoche could be a number 5 or 6 hitter for the sox and hitter over 30 HR while playing good defense, all that for 4.5 million/yr also, we do not have the $$ or the 'spects to acquire a big name like AGon, if he is even available. There should be no Teahen love anywhere around here, and if you see anything even resembling Teahen love, or even Teahen sympathy, then it is your duty as an American and as a good Sox fan to snuff it out as soon as possible. I'm definitely with you on LaRoche. He's one of those guys who will always be underrated given his place among power-hitting 1B around the league (probably middle of the pack or lower just about every year) but he does do a lot well and he is very capable of really helping our team. Why wait around hoping to surrender a ton for someone else if the DBacks have made it known that pretty much the whole team is for sale right now? LaRoche isn't going to cost what the sexy names will, plus the DBacks have great knowledge of our system and Kenny and Josh Byrnes work well together, so a deal could come together quickly. He the perfect target IMO, and if it turns out Kenny wants to make a dangerous, potential high-risk/high-reward blockbuster move like Kalapse was saying yesterday, then he can go out and do that afterwards, hopefully for an OF or another pitcher (can never have too much of that).

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 27, 2010 -> 10:05 AM) Do you really want a 43-year old starting at a physically demanding position like 3B every day? Yes.

A week is a long time. Hopefully nothing happened to Bobby's kids or anything like that. Get better Jenks family. Welcome to the Majors Mr. Threets. Please feel free to not suck ass.