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QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Dec 7, 2011 -> 01:49 PM) And spur development and hopefully tax base Which, in the case of the Sox and thier stadium, is more than true. I honestly dont think the Bridgeport/Armour Square neighborhoods have thier revival if the stadium was not there.

QUOTE (champs2005 @ Dec 6, 2011 -> 10:42 AM) Just to follow up these comments, the hotel tax fell short this year and the City is kicking in their own (our) tax dollars. It begs the question why is tax revenue subsidizing a private business? If this tax didnt subsidize Jerry, then it might be available to go to schools, cops etc, actual public goods. Also, someone said the ILSFA "paid" for their two skyboxes. Really? With what money? TAXES! This is a classic case of the people who are supposed to be "regulating" an industry getting in bed with them. This deal stunk when Reinsdorf (and Thompson) extorted us and it STILL stinks! The shortfall is $188,000. And the clause that forced a payment in the event of a shortfall was set up by DALEY(not Thompson) as a result of the BEARS(not the sox )stadium deal.

QUOTE (champs2005 @ Dec 5, 2011 -> 10:55 AM) http://www.suntimes.com/9161027-417/state-...oza-passes.html Buried in the story about the IL Sports Facilities Authority worker trading Sox skybox passes for a dozen three-day Lollapalooza passes is a nugget that the ILSFA has TWO Sox skyboxes (one right behind home plate and another larger one down the right field line that was only used like 14 times last year). The skyboxes are for Board and Staff use and all food and drink they consume is half off. UNBELIEVEABLE! No wonder they never ask Jerry to pay for anything or to provide a return back to the public on OUR investment! I AM SO MAD ABOUT THIS! The hotel tax pays for the stadium. any money jerry gives is gravy. The 2 boxes are OWNED by ISFA(seeing as ISFA owns the entire stadium). I dont see the issue.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 12:50 PM) I feel like we've derailed this thread, but I have to point out your math is impossible. If your 2011 tickets were $1414, and are now $974... and according to the flyer, which I also have, the $974 represents a 32% savings over 2011 individual tickets, again. right from the flyer... then that has to mean the total cost of your plan's individual tickets in 2011 was $1429 - only $15 more than the $1414 you paid. Do the math. One of your numbers, or one of the numbers the Sox published, has to be wrong. Anyway, base point remains, the Sox are very carefully and subtly trying to give the impression that people's tickets are going to 17 to 32%. And that is simple not the case. But I am also perfectly happy with my 2% decrease. I added the 1414 ticket cost to the savings listed on the brochure, which was $268. That cost is $1682. and then divided it by 81. Simple math. Also 1414 MINUS 974 is 440. that's close to 30% savings off the actual STH cost.

2011 Full Season ticket package price vs. 2012 Full Season ticket package price. Level 2011 Price 2012 Price Premium Club Box 3682 3682 Club Box 3439 3439 Prem. Lower Box 3682 3682 Lower Box 3034 2918 Lower Reserve 2710 2432 Bleachers 2548 2270 Prem. Upper Box 1900 1865 Upper Box 1738 1460 Upper Reserve 1414 974 Parking remains the same. $1458 for 81 games. $18 per game.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 09:50 AM) That's definitely interesting about the Upper Reserve prices. Of course, it also means that your discount in 2011 over individual tickets was a whopping $15 total, which is 1%. So your season ticket package last year only saved you 1% over buying all the tickets individually. Are you sure that's right? If so, that's bizarre, because our UD Premium Box tickets were at a 21% discount over individual ticket prices. So I'd agree that, if your $1414 figure is right, they must have realized their error and corrected it. Who is going to buy Upper Reserve season tickets, whcih are hard to sell, if they are only 1% cheaper than buying the games individually? The UD Premium Boxes went down only 2%, and the LD prices, as people have stated, went down a little or not at all. So it looks like the Upper Reserve is the place where it got severly discounted, and nowhere else. Also to be clear, I am not b****ing about the prices going down. I'm quite happy they went down 2%, I was figuring they would stay the same. I am just pointing out the fuzzy math they use - which, again, is right there in the article and in the season ticket flyer - makes it seem like every section is going down 17 to 32%. Which is not the case. The sox flyer from last season had a savings of $268 from posted individual game prices(not factoring dynamic pricing or discount codes). So the box office price(assuming you got the same price level for every game with no discount or dynamic price) of the UDR was $1682. With an average price of $20.76 a game. The UDR full season plan in 2011's per game average was $17.45. A savings of over 3 dollars per game. Yes, i know this is an average, and that the premier and cubs games skew it a bit. But the 2012 per game average is $8 LESS than the 2011 box office price. And $5 less than the 2011 STH price. These are signifigant discounts.

QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Dec 1, 2011 -> 02:30 AM) Good add. I also would have considered Omar Minaya to be an hired as an assistant to the GM in regards to scouting too. Lot of good, young players on the Mets were drafted by Minaya*. *Yes, and the bad, overpaid ones too. Who has Minaya drafted that plays on the Metropolitans today? Reyes and Wright were there BEFORE Minaya was even hired by the EXPOS.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 30, 2011 -> 04:00 PM) If you read that article more carefully, you will see exactly what I am talking about. Tickets have NOT been slashed as high as 31%. Discounts from 2011 INDIVIDUAL GAME TICKETS when PART OF SEASON TICKET PLANS are discounted as much as 31% - but they were already discounted close to that much to begin with, and are every year - that is part of the appeal of a season ticket plan. Read the words in the article you linked carefuly, and you will see this is the case. I still have my 2011 STH price list, and a full season plan for the upper reserve was $1414 in 2011. The 2012 cost is $974, a savings of $440 at the SEASON TICKET LEVEL. This is not factoring the single game prices. The STH per game price in upper reserve in 2011 over 17 on average. The 2012 price averages to over $12 a game. That's almost a 1/3 off at, again, the STH price. Of course, the Upper Reserve seats are harder to sell for most games, so that discount should be steeper. But perhaps the sox math isnt as fuzzy as you wish for it to be. They're lowering prices, yet people still find ways to b**** about it!

the hits keep coming. the city had to pay for ISFA's hotel tax shortfall for the first time. 1.1 million. Also interesting is that the BEARS were mentioned in one of these articles for the first time as well. Almost everything has been about how the sox have hosed illinois. The shortfall payment is DIRECTLY linked to the bears financing deal for the toilet bowl.

well, according to this press release ( http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...ws&c_id=cws ), the sox have indeed slashed full season ticket costs as high as 31%. are you calling brooks a liar?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 04:02 PM) OK 2004 was a complete re-do on how the seating up there worked, so I am sure that had to happen. I had actually forgotten about the upper deck lop-off being that recent. But Sox payroll went UP from 2004 to 2005, not down. Ticket prices went down last year? For season ticket holders? News to me, mine stayed the same and I thought others did too, but I could be wrong. Anyway, of course in 2011, the payroll was the highest ever. So again, up. UD Reserve tix went down. No other sections were affected. I know because I bought a plan up there.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 08:15 AM) Fiirst... when have season ticket prices dropped, ever, in the past decade with the current upper management structure? And so how can you say "always"? Second, there is almost no way payroll could decrease 25%. Look at the payroll resource Kalapse has, and tell me how you plan to accomplish that, even if you wanted to. 2004 when the upper deck was re-mapped. when "upper box" seats in sec 520-506 and 542-558 were turned into upper reserved(upper box used to be every section's first 15 rows) and last year, when the sox lowered prices in upper reserve.

i expect a deal to be done by 12/11. both sides are bickering on lesser issues.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Nov 7, 2011 -> 07:51 AM) Expanding on this a little bit, if I had that kind of money, Scottsdale would be pretty far down on my list of places to own a 16k sq ft. house. The east coast is much more appealing IMO. yeah, but bonerko loves it in AZ. he's a coyotes and cardinals STH.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 03:39 PM) I think the Sox and the state leaked the sweetheart deal to make the Cubs negotiations more difficult. Chairman Reinsdorf will make some minor concessions and it will be done. The last thing they wanted was Ricketts to bring up the Sox lease when he can't get his deal done. public opinion is quite the opposite. it's now" well, teh sox got an awesome deal, why not the cubs? they actually draw!"

I dont think Emil Jones knows how good of a negotiator Jerry is. Jerry is Bud's enforcer. Who do you think got the Nationals a sweetheat deal with Washington DC on Nationals Field? A deal that some say is BETTER than the white sox deal with ISFA? That stadium deal helped the nationals sell for $450 million, netting the other 29 clubs a sizable proft(team was purchased for 150-200 million from Loria in 2002) The bic scary part in this is if illinois wants to force a lease renegotiation, Jerry might say " f*** you, i'm out of here." and void the lease.

QUOTE (chiguy79 @ Oct 27, 2011 -> 02:36 PM) This media story is being driven by Ricketts, he is going to try to show that the Sox have such a sweatheart deal that when he asks for $300mm to renovate Wrigley it won't seem so bad. Hopefully the people of Illinois aren't willing to play the sucker again. Moreso, unlike the Sox who I believe we likely to relocate, Ricketts doesn't have that as a real option unless he wants to destroy the value of his franchise, I am sure Ricketts will announce trying to get public funds again around the holidays when no one is paying attention. This screams Tommy Boy. Funny thing is, the REAL owner of the Cubs, Joe Ricketts, is against govt spending on private enterprise. In fact he funds an organization that attacks corporate welfare. Except when it comes to his kids' toy.

meanwhile, the sox paid for the "chicago sports depot" completely on thier own.

QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 08:50 PM) Getting back to the stadium lease, if the Sox pay more, good for Illinois taxpayers, bad for Sox fans. Which are there more. the stadium is financed by the hotel tax, which brought in 30 million dollars in 2010. assuming that ammount is split evennly to cover the sox and bears stadium bonds, hotel visitors(mostly out of towners) pumped 15 million into paying off the cell. the sox rent payment goes to isfa. and that money is then used for improvements and other work.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 02:26 PM) But, is it also not the norm to have such an incredibly low rent and such a large profit from parking? you seem to forget that your parking pass allows you to TAILGATE. so there may be insurance, security, and cleanup costs associated with tailgating. go take a look at bears parking prices, especially on the secondary market. the sox seem like a deal then.

QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 08:56 AM) http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-07...-discrimination From everything I've ever read and heard, the White Sox are a pretty progressive organization, and JR would not tolerate discrimination of this sort. One never knows without actual facts of course, but as someone who deals with these claims for a living, most are BS. Failure to promote claims are notoriously difficult to prove. there are a LOT of female sox employees. and they seem to move UP quite a bit. the lady who oversaw the 2003 ASG from the sox side was a ticket rep in 1996. 7 years from selling tickets to being a top exectutive overseeing a major operation(the 2003 ASG brought in a projected 53 million into the sox coffers). I say the claim's BS.

that's funny....who would want dunn f***?

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 11:40 AM) I've never once heard this nickname, but I assume from context that it's Konerko? I hate when people insert their own nicknames into discussions so I have to go out of my way to figure out who they're referring to. I will almost guarantee that Ozzie burns bridges on the way out. He's (or his ghost writer, Oney) going to drudge up personal clubhouse stuff, and I kind of hope he does so that others can mention his own personal problems. And yes, it will suck that Hawk gets a statue. boner's short for bonerko

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 12:52 PM) Hawk is a polarizing figure to be sure. There's boatloads to criticize, with umpiring complaints at the top of the list for me. However, if you have the Extra Innings package or you're a frequent traveller to other MLB towns, you may realize that he's rather good at his job from an entertainment standpoint. There's SO much blandness out there it's numbing. agreed. the former announcer for seattle(who died during the offseason) was HORRIBLE beyond belief. and most color guys are pretty bland too. ron darling comes to mind

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 07:36 PM) He is actually a very good guy from what I hear. Its too bad his contract blows. blame kenny for that f***ing mistake. let's lock up a guy for 3 million a YEAR when he's not even worth 3 million over 3 years....