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QUOTE (YASNY @ Dec 8, 2012 -> 06:11 PM) :whichway People have been b****ing for years about the Sox tendency to 'lift and pull'. Now we sign a line drive type hitter and they're b****ing because he doesn't hit enough HR. Exactly. Although we also had Juan Pierre and everybody but a few hated him.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 8, 2012 -> 03:41 PM) http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/...ead-of-rodgers/ It's an incredibly flawed statistic and shouldn't be used by anyone I found it somewhat accurate in that it trashed the s*** out of Carson Palmer. Palmer's been awful this year...and QBR shows that. QB Rating on the other hand, does not. Context is much different in football than it is in baseball, I believe. You can have context-neutral stats in baseball and you can judge the true talent based on that somewhat accurately. It's hard to do that in football, even at the QB position.

QUOTE (Carter224 @ Dec 8, 2012 -> 11:52 AM) Lucks numbers aren't anywhere near good enough to win an MVP award. Hes 29th in the league in rating currently and only has one more TD than INT on the season.. Luck's been really clutch. He's ranked #6 in ESPN's QBR, which I think takes the game situation into account. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/year...htm#passing::21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_quarterback_rating He's in some pretty elite company there.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Dec 8, 2012 -> 02:40 PM) If this were the case Hahn must really not like his current manager who is far more anti-numbers than Guillen. You cannot be serious... Even if that was the case and Hahn wants to hire somebody else, why hire Ozzie Guillen when there are many managers out there who favor numbers far more than Guillen?

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 8, 2012 -> 12:57 PM) Michael Young to the Phillies is official. Young's had a pattern of bad year followed by good year for the past few seasons. His success correlates with his BABIP. Either he's super unlucky or super lucky...or something along those lines. He either hits .320 or .280. And when he hits .280, he's not a very good player since he never walks, doesn't have a lot of power, and can't field.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 8, 2012 -> 12:57 PM) Michael Young to the Phillies is official. Young's had a pattern of bad year followed by good year for the past few seasons. His success correlates with his BABIP. Either he's super unlucky or super lucky...or something along those lines. He either hits .320 or .280. And when he hits .280, he's not a very good player since he never walks, doesn't have a lot of power, and can't field.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Dec 8, 2012 -> 02:22 PM) If Hahn hires Ozzie to be manager again, I want him fired instantly. Hahn is a man of numbers (or so they say). I find it extremely hard to believe that anyone, especially somebody who appreciates the numbers side of the game, finds Ozzie Guillen to have good on-field managerial skills.

Did some research on Keppinger today. He's been hitting line drives at a high rate the past two seasons, nearly 25% of his batted balls are line drives, which is something around 5% above the league average. Also, looking at his splits, he never has any awful or unbearable months and is mostly consistent. Also, what's interesting is that Keppinger walked quite a bit in June and July last season, but not much at all in the other months. I think he's your definition of a consistent singles hitter. He also has some power too...I saw some of the home runs he hit last season, many were hard-hit liners.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 10:31 PM) I would have liked BMac at that price. With our depth at the #5 spot, I would have loved McCarthy. If he gets hurt, it's not the end of the world and you're only paying him $7.75 million. If he's healthy, the net return will be pretty damn good. I seriously hope A.J. is not the reason we didn't bid more aggressive on BMac. Flowers can fill in just fine IMO and A.J. is very unlikely to hit 27 home runs ever again.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 11:50 PM) I don't know what any of that means. I know they're similar players outside of Rios' awful '11. Upton's slightly better. The idea that the guy still has considerable upside after 3,000 PA's is kind of laughable. Yeah, he was a number 1 pick and a sexy prospect, but he's probably not going to get significantly better. 3,000 PA's is substantial. wOBA is like OPS, but a little more extensive and accurate. It's weighted to be like an on base percentage. But you can see there, outside of last year, Rios' was a lot worse and the variation in his good years and bad years was anywhere from 40 points to almost 100 points on the wOBA. So yeah, Upton's much more of a sure thing to produce and there's a chance Rios is completely useless in any given year. You never get that with Upton. And there's also that 6 year age difference. I would never trade Sale for Upton, but anybody else is fair game.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 11:38 PM) His ceiling? 3,000 plate appearances. He is who he is. He's slightly better than Rios. He walks more, k's more and steals fewer bases. Upton's wOBA the past 4 years 2009 .385 2010 .349 2011 .385 2012 .341 Rios' wOBA the past 4 years 2009 .302 2010 .344 2011 .267 2012 .361 There's also a 6 year age difference between the two. Not only does Upton have a higher ceiling, even though it looks like he hasn't completely hit it yet, but he's also not as awful as Rios when he has what is considered a down year. In fact, Upton's bad years are considered good years for Rios. These guys aren't in the same league. And obvious fantasy advice...draft Upton next year, don't draft Rios. The pattern is quite obvious.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 7, 2012 -> 11:34 PM) Upton's one of those guys that if he was a Sox player, people couldn't wait to move him. But, since he plays for another team and was an uber prospect he's the bee's knees. Upton already plays for this team, his name is Alex Rios. You really think he's suddenly going to get better after 3,000 PA's? Upton's ceiling is much higher. But yeah, Upton likes to have a pattern of up and down years.

Indians are offering Youk 2 for $18 million. I'd rather have that than Keppinger, to be honest. There's nothing wrong with Keppinger, but Youk, even as inconsistent as he was last year, is still a better player.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 11:03 PM) He is one of my least favorite Bulls in the post Jordan era. I was not happy when he was brought back. Isn't Kirk getting earning more than Mayo? Didn't also get more years? f***in' facepalm.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 10:44 PM) where have i heard that before? kidding aside though - good insight. i may take a closer look and re-evaluate... i DONT think 30 hr is his norm by ANY stretch, and the OBP has only been good in the last couple years... but we'll see. still not sure i'd risk the $$ People said Teahen would hit 40 home runs at the Cell? I sure as hell didn't. I thought he could hit 20. 25 at most.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 09:39 PM) I looked at his numbers too, and they were actually pretty incredible save like one season where he was terrible. But the knack on him became that he couldn't stay healthy and then, after he finally was healthy again, he was traded to the Yankees. If Greinke gets even close to $25 million a year, it's going to be incredibly difficult for him to live up to the contract without winning a Cy Young or two. I can already imagine the pressure on him to perform. He'll probably crack and go back to pre-2008 Greinke. If I'm Greinke, I take a slightly less lucrative contact. Then there won't be the media and fan expectations for him to be a Cy Young winner every year. We all know Greinke. He's mental and I can't see the expectations being good for him.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 10:21 PM) Given the likely cost, I'd prefer a player who has had more than one season of better than .800 OPS or more than 12 Hrs or more than 64 RBIs, especially when said player is 28 and has had several relatively unexciting seasons. Petco park is the biggest killer of offensive numbers in baseball. Headley's been a good player for a long time. He just happened to improve his power dramatically last year. Headley is a 35-40 HR player in a park like the Cell. Even though his OPS has been stuck around the mid to high 700s for most of his career, his career wRC+ is 116, 16% above league average. That's how much Petco screws with his stats. Headley's wOBA away from Petco is .364 vs. .316 at Petco (.836 vs. 695 in terms of OPS). You have yourself a classic Adrian Beltre in Seattle situation. Once Beltran got out of Safeco, his offensive numbers exploded. The good thing about Headley is that he's been good (last year) in a horrible hitter's park like Petco. Beltre never put up Headley's numbers from last year while with the M's. Chase Headley is a very good hitter and a very good defender. He's worth the hype.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 08:24 PM) In reference to this post... Someone I follow on twitter said Heyman was on MLB Networks and said: White Sox tossing around "pie in the sky" ideas. "somebody that they've loved for 5 years" Also he just tossed Justin Upton's name into the White Sox possibility bin. Don't know if that's based on anything but he said it. Can anyone vouch? Felix Pie? Chone Figgins? lmao

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 05:46 PM) Wow, his numbers with the Dodgers definitely look pretty damn good for the most part, other than the injuries in 2001-02. It also helps that the Yankees took him for the last two years of the deal. Fun fact of the day: Browns QB Brandon Weeden was traded to LA in the Kevin Brown deal. No wonder Weeden is 28.

The Sox finally find a pretty good leadoff hitter in De Aza and people still think we can do better...high expectations.

Joel Sherman said he heard from Youk's "colleague" that Youk didn't like playing in Chicago since the Sox didn't draw huge crowds. So is that why he hit so well at home then? Is that also why he's looking to sign with the Indians, whose attendance is even worse?

FanGraphs' take: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/w...an-ball-return/

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:41 PM) What do you see changing between now and a year from now that would suggest we'd have someone better? A miracle.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:40 PM) I think we would be right back in this boat we're in now next year if we had done that. I'm not sure I want Jeff Keppinger to be our starting 3B for more than a year or two...

Chavez signed for one year and $3 million with Arizona. Truthfully, I would rather have that deal.