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QUOTE (3E8 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:31 PM) You need more than one season for reliability. Combine the career 3B rating with negative ratings at all other infield positions. Same result over at B-R.com with defensive runs saved method. He's below average defensively. I get that, but I'm not sure it's fair to say he's a bad defensive 3B just because he's a bad defensive SS and 2B. There's a huge difference in the demands of the positions, specifically range.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:28 PM) Chavez to DBacks per Heyman Yankees are getting outbid left and right. I would have loved a Chavez and Keppinger platoon. That would have been so beast.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:27 PM) -17.7 career UZR Most of that comes from his SS days. He probably doesn't have the range to be a SS.

CF De Aza L 3B Keppinger R DH Dunn L 1B Konerko R RF Rios R LF Viciedo R SS Ramirez R C Flowers R 2B Beckham R Meh...but acceptable. Getting A.J. back would be really nice. The bottom of the lineup is far too right handed. Maybe a move down to 5 for Dunn would balance out the lineup more.

QUOTE (3E8 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 12:49 PM) If you use advanced fielding metrics as one should, with as large a sample as possible, Keppinger has negative ratings. Rogers used them incorrectly, picking a small 50-game sample which is unreliable. UZR of 3.9 over 1110 innings at 3B in his career. That's acceptable and almost a full season's worth of sample size.

QUOTE (GoGoSox2k2 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 12:57 PM) so what was his injury a couple weeks ago? is it anything to worry about? He fell and broke his fibula. It's not a major break he should be ready for ST. It probably priced him down a few million. With the year he had last year and the 3B market the way it is, he could have gotten 3 and $18 million.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 12:42 PM) He only played 50 games at third base last year? I'm not liking this move. He was pretty good during those 50 games though. All he needs to be is average defensively. If he puts up his career offensive #s, he'll be an average 3B, which is very well worth the $4 million we're paying him. He's not an ideal #2, but he's a much better fit for that spot right now than anyone else we have. I like the deal.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 10:52 PM) How come Rongey has left the board? He could be filling us in on rumors. I wonder what drove him away??? Come back Rongey. Rongey would tell you about as much as we know. He works for the Sox. He can't just give out rumors, that can get him fired. And can we all stop thinking Rick Hahn's behind everything? He's probably not.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 05:39 PM) paul hoynes ‏@hoynsie Heard Jack Hannahan has big league offer from AL Central team. Could be White Sox, who will need 3B help if they lose Youkilis. #indians. The good thing about Hannahan is that he's been a good hitter in April. He's got a .772 career OPS in March/April. That's usually when the Sox can't hit. The problem is that Hannahan hasn't shown an ability to hit over a whole year. He's a below average hitter with a good glove. Nice bench player, I suppose.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 05:29 PM) 3 years, $39 million. Awful deal IMO. B.J. Upton's deal looks good now. Victorino's a 3 win player, maybe more. But he's declining and aging. If he can give you 12 wins over a 3 year period, then maybe the $40 million is worth it. But your net value based on the contract $ is very low. You're basically breaking even in terms of WAR $. IMO, good deals aren't about breaking even.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 05:04 PM) What about all this Yunel Escobar stuff? I feel like we'd be outbid, and he's risky -- but Brent Morel. He'd fit in real well as our #2 hitter.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 03:10 PM) Nick Cafardo ‏@nickcafardo Red Sox front runners on Shane Victorino. Offered three year $38 mill deal. Ellsbury and Victorino as the 1-2 seems pretty good...if Ellsbury will stay healthy. Victorino's offensive numbers dipped a lot last year. It'll be interesting to see his transition to the AL.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 02:48 PM) Sounding more and more like it will be Brent Morel at 3rd... Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal Price for Keppinger, according to official of one club involved in talks, is now at $8M for two years. #Yankees among teams with interest. We can't afford Keppinger at $4 million a year? If that's the case, why even bother to sign anyone else?

QUOTE (joeynach @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 10:25 AM) Adding Reynolds to the lineup would make it even more important that Rick Hahn look to fill either C or LF with someone who is not a big K guy and has a high OBP. It would help provide some balance, but that would imply trading on those guys and acquiring someone else. If the White Sox are in win the WS in 2013 mode they should do that, if they are in another rebuild on the fly but stay competitive mode, then just keep as is (with Reynolds) and roll the dice. You know how we all hate to watch the Sox not get runners in from 3B with less than two outs? Yeah, with that lineup, we'll probably have the worst RBI-rate in those situations. Flowers, Dunn, and Reynolds are strikeout machines. Viciedo strikes out a lot too. Inability to put the ball in play will be an issue. Sure, we'll hit something like 225 home runs, but god I do hate watching all or nothing ball.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 02:12 PM) I simply expressed how I choose to enjoy the game of baseball and did not attempt to invalidate the advanced stats ... disagree with the importance some people put on them, sure. But I didn't personally insult anybody that holds these stats to a higher regard. Wite is an example, he holds a high opinion of these stats but he's knowledgable baseball fan above and beyond just the stats. As for the comment someone made about arrogance on both sides, let someone insult your baseball insight and see if you don't get your hackles up. I think you have to understand that stats people don't like it when you deem their work to be completely worthless and a waste of time. IMO, that is an insult in what one believes in. Maybe not a personal insult, but a insult nonetheless.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 02:00 PM) Personally, I think the best evaluators are good using both sides. I think at times stats lie and at times your eyes deceive. That said, I don't think any here actually is being paid for evaluations. If people want to argue a player's worth using either or both, what's the harm? Debating player performance is part of what makes the game fun. Yeah, you need to take a bit of both to evaluate a lot of situations. However, something like the linear weight of a home run isn't really all that complicated or debatable, which is what was being discussed here.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 01:46 PM) Bull! This game has been a huge part of my life enough trust my judgement on what I see, the unmeaserable chemistry factor and watching the game itself being played. I have expressed many opinions over the years on soxtalk and I stand by my record of my words over your stats. I grant that your advanced stats give you a little, very little, insight to player evaluation. For you to come on here and say I have no idea of what I'm talking about because I don't happen to agree with your microscopic standard of player management is ridiculously short-sighted, at best. And, I'm being very restrained in my response to your arrogance. I think he was trying to say that you should acknowledge you don't know about the advanced stats themselves (not baseball) and stop attempting to invalidate them (i.e. you go calculate your stupid stats while I drink a refreshment while I watch the game).

QUOTE (Big Daddy Kool @ Dec 3, 2012 -> 03:04 PM) Pagan back to the Giants The guy who hit about as well as Alejandro De Aza last year just got $40 million.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 3, 2012 -> 01:46 PM) The explanatory power given to OPS has gotten to asinine levels. Just as if you told me their batting averages, I don't learn nearly enough about the player. I also think OPS is especially useless if you're not also giving me HR/RBI stats. OPS is meant to predict HR and RBI, and so I'd like to see if it effectively predicts those things in the player. Dunn out produced his OPS last year, IMO. Napoli seems to produce less than his OPS suggests IMO. It is? Because Joe Carter's OPS was usually mediocre to bad while he drove in a ton of runs. Those two are mostly independent measures.

So the guy I'm playing is fighting for the first week bye, just like me. He has Bryce Brown. I drafted McCoy in the first round. McCoy hasn't been of any service for the past two weeks and Bryce Brown just got him a 60 point lead and I have two players left tomorrow. Ugh.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 2, 2012 -> 03:26 PM) What on earth are you talking about? It's the first quarter...had we kicked it and given up the td we probably kneel on it at the end of the game and go into OT anyways. We should all just blame Earl Bennett for dropping a easy TD pass.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 2, 2012 -> 03:20 PM) Coin toss really cost us much of a chance to win it non our own merit. I always thought the home team got to call the coin toss in OT.

That sucked...

This defense sucks.

This defense just can't stop Wilson on the indirection play.