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QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 04:01 PM) Anyone know how an out of towner can listen to this?? 670thescore.com

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 03:46 PM) You're seriously underestimating Mark Kotsay. Or I'm underestimating Ozzie's ability to put him in the game.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 03:52 PM) I thought it was you who put his xFIP and FIP up at sub-5? Maybe not. Anyway, I was referring to his brief period of greatness as the first half of last year. A half-season ain't chump change, it's definitely enough to firmly declare that he has the ability to succeed. He also had some phenomenal periods in TB. I think our pitching coach is superior to either of those two guys, and I think there's a decent chance that he succeeds with us. Yes, it's still a chance, and that's what makes it a gamble. But it's a gamble I think could pay huge dividends if it succeeds. Much bigger dividends than keeping Hudson in our system. I'll put it this way: you have Coop in a room with one young player. Would you rather have him sit down with the guy with great stuff and mediocre command or mediocre stuff and great command? You can't make a middle-of-the-road arm a great arm. You can make crap control good control sometimes. That was me. I have no problems with Edwin Jackson's talents. If anything, he actually has upside. I have an issue with what we gave up for him and how much we'll have to pay for him.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 03:45 PM) Jax was not Good nor great last year. Edwin Jackson put up a spectacular set of numbers in the first half of last season based on putting up a .249 BABIP. His BABIP, as we always say it does, regressed towards his career mean of .315 in the 2nd half. In the first half of last season he put up an ERA around 2.5, in the 2nd half he put up an ERA of 5.07. Edwin Jackson's terrible 2nd half was key to the Twins taking the division from the Tigers last year. Hell, he was on the mound for Game 162 and the White Sox shelled him. He's putting up an ERA >5 this season in the National League for a reason. And it's not because of his BABIP. I think that was game 161.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 02:37 PM) And how many LOB will Kostay have! None, cause he ain't playing.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 02:57 PM) Dude, I'm angry about this deal too, but this post serves zero purpose other than to insult Jenks. We don't want that. My bad. I probably could have put that in a different way.

QUOTE (IceCreamPants @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 02:53 PM) lol We can go with that story but we all know greg is busy hugging DeWayne Wise. He really wanted to hug Bobby Jenks, but unfortunately, he realized that most Soxtalk users were right when they said Jenks was fat.

QUOTE (T R U @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 02:49 PM) Wrong, you OFFERED me a cyber hug and I refused.. I would only accept a cyber hug from Greg He must have cyber hug raped you then.

From Bowden's Twitter: Bill Ladson reports that if Adam Dunn is traded that he thinks it will be to the Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 02:43 PM) Yes, they are. Great stuff, yadda, yadda. Performance does not back it up. Edwin didn't go from Tampa to Detroit to Arizona to us because he's really good. Jackson's still young. When we got Javy, he was nearing his 30s. I'm in no way defending this deal, but I don't know if that's a great comparison.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 02:43 PM) From a Nats beat writer: Adam kennedy at 2B for Nats tonight. Dunn still on lineup sheet in clubhouse less than a minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® =O Hmmmmmmm

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 02:42 PM) Guzman may have been moved to make way for Morel. Most scouts think he makes a better 2nd basemen. If Morel and Ejax are going for Dunn, I'd be pissed.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 02:40 PM) Somebody needs to pull up some old Javy threads. I can't believe people are supporting this abomination of a trade. These two aren't THAT similar.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 02:29 PM) Sale next year? Yeah, I can imagine a garage sale by the time the trade deadline comes.

The offense better be ready to kick some ass.

QUOTE (G&T @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 02:08 PM) Stone says that Washington views Jackson as a closer. The more I hear of the Nationals' ideas, the more I think Rizzo is a complete idiot.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 02:02 PM) Contrary to this boards belief Dan Hudson is not better than Joe Saunders. So unless the Sox had a Joe Saunders what the D-Backs got for Haren is irrelevant. Not to mention KW probably offered Hudson to numerous different teams, and most likely very few wanted to give him great value. It even appears the nats who want to dump salary dont want Hudson. /shrugs Boy, you must really like Joe Saunders' mediocre ERA and pretty bad FIP.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 02:01 PM) Platoon? Aren't they both lefties? That makes no sense. Oz will be forced to play Dunn over Kotsay or get fired and as an Oz lover, that would be a fireable offense. I'm glad to see you are realistic Greg.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 02:01 PM) And I can respect you feeling that way. It's just a personal thing. Personally, I stopped looking at athletes as my role models when I was about 20 I think. When I want to read about human beings that I truly admire, I look to the clergy...oh wait... Charles Barkley is right...athletes aren't role models.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:58 PM) Your original post was funnier. I felt like the edit was appropriate. I really wanted him to go F himself, but that wasn't really necessary.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:52 PM) FWIW, From ESPN chat: Comment From Woj] I sometimes don't understand Kenny Williams- Why did he have to give up 2 good prospects and take on $10.5 million in future money. Houston gave $11 million and the prospects in return were nothing special. Why didn't the Sox get money in the deal? Jason A. Churchill -- MLB Draft Blog/Rumor Central: Hudson is not a future No. 1 or anything and Holmberg, the second arm going to Arizona, is widely considered a No. 3 or 4 starter at best. So they didn't exactly send elite talent to the D-backs in return for Jackson. Plus, the idea may be to flip Jackson to Washington for Dunn, which cancels out most if not all of the future money. But even Philly is taking on some salary, they didn't get Oswalt for FREE. Jason A. Churchill -- MLB Draft Blog/Rumor Central: Law on Hudson: No. 4 starter in the NL. Keith Law can go eat himself into obesity.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:47 PM) Could Dunn and the Sox be working on an extension before the trade is finalized? We have about $75 million locked up in salary next year. I heavily doubt it.

MLB Trade Rumors says Orioles might be done dealing. You can probably cross Luke Scott off the list.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:44 PM) Great Bernstein line: Myers-Pierzinski the ultimate jack-ass battery of all time. I bet those two will really get to know each other well.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jul 30, 2010 -> 01:39 PM) FWIW: Myers is under contract for $8,000,000 next year ($8M Mutual Option, $2M Buyout) Mutual options usually don't work out.