Chicago White Sox

I don’t think we can afford to trade Cease right now given how murky our SP situation is at the moment.

I think it’s just wishful thinking. I seriously doubt Avi has any trade value at this point.

To be fair, he’s had one great season at the plate and one good season. That doesn’t mean he’s a great catcher by any means (his defense leaves a lot to be desired), but offensively he’s held his own for the most part. Regardless, I fully agree that trading Narvaez for Gray would be a no-brainer.

I’m super interested in Jon Gray because I think he could potentially be a part of the long-term rotation (if willing to sign an extension at some point) or a tremendous flip candidate. Either way that’s a win for us assuming he does well next year. I just don’t believe Omar to be our long-term answer at catcher and would love to sell high on him.

I’m not sure how anyone could call Jon Gray a “marginal veteran”. He’s the same age as Narvaez and has significantly more upside. We’re talking about a former 3rd overall pick who has had very good peripherals in the majors. Get him out of Coors and he could easily be a stud. And I like Luery, but he’d a small price to pay to get an arm like Gray, especially when he only has two years of team control left.

Cause I don’t believe he’s a legit 122 wRC+ hitter. I’m willing to sell high on Narvaez and roll the dice on Gray becoming a TOR starter once healthy again and out of Coors. Like I said, I have no idea how other front offices would value him. The Rockies did sign Ian Desmond to a big contract to play 1B, so nothing would really surprise me with them.

I tend to agree. No idea how teams would value Narvaez though. It’s not very easy to find a controllable catcher who can hit like Omar did in 2018.

I literally just saw this, but included a Narvaez for Gray trade in my plan. I threw in Luery as the Rockies could probably use a guy like him who provides some depth at 2B & the OF. Would be really nice to sell high on a guy and I just don’t believe Narvaez will put up a wRC+ of 122 again. I’m also a huge fan of Gray and you’d only be losing one year of team control.

I’d trade Rutherford for Jon Gray in a heartbeat. For better or worse, he’d probably be our ace next year and has huge upside. Great buy low candidate if the Rockies are looking to sell him.

Gotcha, you’re talking about a potential move a year from now in a thread about 2018 offseason plans.

Here’s my “realistic” off-season plan at the moment and yes I know it includes Manny Machado. Free Agents: Manny Machado, 3B - 10/$375M (opt-outs after years 4, 5, & 6) Drew Pomeranz, LHP - 1/$9M Cody Allen, RHP - 1/$11M Trades: Omar Narvaez, C & Luery Garcia, UT to Rockies for Jon Gray, RHP Roster (May 1st): 1B: Abreu 2B: Rondon SS: Anderson 3B: Machado LF: Jimenez CF: Moncada RF: A. Garcia DH: Palka CA: Castillo IF: Sanchez OF: Engel UT: Delmonico BC: Smith #1: Gray #2: Rodon #3: Lopez #4: Pomeranz #5: Giolito CL: Allen SU: Hamilton SU: Fry MR: Jones MR: Frare MR: Burdi LR: Stephens

How do you suggest “stealing” him?

Because Marwin is incredibly versatile, a league average hitter or better, and still under 30. I bet he gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 3/$36M. FWIW, James Fegan had him as a possibility to us at 4/$70M, which sounds crazy to me but he’s gonna get paid a decent amount. As for Lynn, he was a significantly better pitcher in 2018 than 2017, ERA be damned. And his velocity also returned to form making him a much more attractive pitcher. I threw out a 2/$35M contract idea in another thread and I’m not even sure that will be enough. He’s certainly getting more than he did last offseason when he cost the Twins a draft pick.

Lance Lynn will most definitely get more money/years than he did coming off a bad season and tied to draft pick compensation. Your forecast for what Marwin Gonzalez will get is also way off. He’ll get three to four years with an AAV close to $10m I’d wager.

Baseball is a rich white kid’s sport now?

Still the best shower ever IMO.

Sure, I see random kids wearing Sox gear all the time. The Cubs are obviously more possible, but it’s not like our fanbase is dead.

How many of those followers are outside of Chicago? And I’d wager the Cubs’ fanbase is far more likely to have Twitter accounts that ours. I think this an incredibly flawed way to determine our share of the city.

This is just way too simplistic of an assessment. Where in the world did you come up with the Sox only having 30% of the market? I’m sure the Cubs have a larger share of Chicago, but their real edge is a fanbase that extends outside of the city limits. And the potential market is not based on their current share, but as the word says “potential”. The Sox with a strong run of competitiveness over a few years can steal a large part of the casual fanbase in Chicago.

Look, I hope you are right, but I’m guessing there would be plenty of teams interested in Gray and very few willing to give up anything of value for Avi. I think the Rockies can either get a better return or simply sign a comparable OF in free agency.

The Rockies. Avi has little to no trade value at the moment. Jon Gray is still a super interesting arm with three years of control. He’d a great buy low guy if the Rockies were looking to move him.

Can you send me a PM too?

See, I would be against adding any relievers for big dollars. I think we have a ton of young, exciting arms that actually warrant opportunities next year. By all means, look at a bounce-back guy on a one year deal & add some NRI’s to the mix, but expensive multi-year relievers are typically poor investments when you’re not ready to compete.

Well sure, we’d all love to do this (including the Sox), but after a few teams got burned (us with Tatis, the Dodgers with Alvarez, the Marlins with Martes, etc.) it became much harder to pull these types of moves off. GMs don’t want to be the guy who gave up a future stud for a mediocre player, so they’ll try to keep as many of these far-away guys off limits. It’s just not viable strategy anymore and it still requires having tradable pieces which we lack.

I have never seen the Sox front office make any sort of statement suggesting the talent acquisition phase is over. The problem is we don’t have a lot of assets that are both valuable and make sense to move, so it is effectively over in a way. How do you suggest they add more talent then? The returns on rentals have been pretty poor of late to put it lightly.