Chicago White Sox

And your plan is to build a consistent 70 win team and really improve fan engagement.

Is this a real post? Like now you’re whining about a team that won 91 games in the AL East because their attendance isn’t good enough. Make it make sense.

But that’s what your plan likely gets us…

These are different ownership groups…the money the Sox make doesn’t just transfer to the Bulls because Jerry wants to invest in real estate around the UC.

They can’t cut payroll below $60M fathom. Agree with the rest though.

These posts are getting absolutely ridiculous. Rebuilding “the right way” isn’t some Reinsdorf trope. Paying market value for good, not great players when you are multiple years away from competing is plain dumb, especially when it’s going to cost you draft picks and international slot dollars. You can continue to plug your ears and scream “I demand we win 65 games next year at all costs”, but it doesn’t change the fact it’s a legit stupid long-term strategy given the current state of the team.

I feel you brother…I am in the same boat. But giving Santander 5/$100M is not the answer. Three years from now people will likely be bitching about him being an albatross that prevents us from upgrading an OF spot.

You’re still not getting this…we have no core whatsoever. Your math is take a 41 win team add three B tier free agents worth like 10 wins if healthy and hope that gets us to the promise land. To act like Anthony Santander is the dude we should be proactive on and lose valuable draft and LatAm slot dollars when there will be similar free agents available in a couple years when we actually need him is wild to me. I get it…watching s%*# baseball sucks. But for millionth time, paying market value for free agents in or entering their 30’s is a recipe for disaster if your team isn’t built to win right now. If you lack the patience to endure what needs to be done, then I’d recommend a different hobby in the interim as this next season is going to be ugly no matter what we do. Trying to rush things for a token amount of entertainment value is simply not the answer.

Again, you seem more concerned about wining 60 games next year than ever winning a World Series again.

I can’t answer that question yet because I don’t know which spots are going to look our main holes and how many there will. If we get lucky this year and can feel confident in our 3B, SS, 2B, & C options moving forward then it’s easier to dream big on going after more impactful free agents. I’d feel even better if we could get a legit CF prospect we believe in for Robert at the deadline. But as a hypothetical, instead of Alonso, I’d pencil in Munetaka Murakami as a potential addition to fill 1B for us. And there are actually quite a few decent OF options in that pre 2027 offseason class that will be older and will 100% be in our price range. Let’s just say Seiya Suzuki to fit with the Japanese theme. And that would leave money for a quality SP, bullpen help, and other needs. How does this potential 2027 lineup work? TBD, CF - Robert trade Montgomery, SS* Suzuki, LF Murakami, 1B* Montgomery, RF# Ramos, 3B Quero, DH# Teel, CA* Meidroth, 2B (or Baldwin#)

Tucker is going to be looking for much more than $300M (my guess $500M+), so I think we can officially cross him off the list. Vlad Guerrero will likely be over $300M too, but is much more in the realm of possibility. Like theoretically should be possible to sign if we offered $250M to Machado a half decade ago, but Jerry likely going to Jerry as we all now. A cheaper corner infield alternative would be Munetaka Murakami from Japan. Your list didn’t include any Japanese free agents, but there are usually a couple bigger names posted each cycle. Ultimately, that free agent list should show you we need to do most of the heavy lifting ourselves and so far we done exactly zero reps.

How are three B tier free agents, one who will miss a chunk of the season, turn a 41 win team into a .500 team? Again, the current talent level is atrocious and we aren’t lucking into anything next regardless of who we sign. I totally agree a $60M payroll is absurd, but spending it on guys who will likely begin regressing on day 1 and will cost on picks and slot dollars on top of it isn’t the right strategy. There are long-term consequences to these type of signings and now is not the time to incur them.

I honestly believe a big driver of it was ethical (not liking the idea of negotiating with kids and their handlers) and Jerry is to blame for that. But the hope is that Getz has somehow convinced Jerry that it’s the price of doing business and we will continue to be at a massive disadvantage if we don’t get serious about the DR. I mean, all Getz would have to do is show him our top prospect list and do an ROI analysis on LatAm signings to prove how much value we’ve left on the table with this Cuban & Venezuela heavy strategy. And so far under Getz, it does seem like we are attempting to make progress there…it’s just going to take a long ass time to confirm and bare any fruit.

To be fair, the PBO, GM, and LatAm Director are all gone and those are the guys who arranged the deals in that signing class. We shouldn’t punish the current regime for something outside of their control. It’s clear that they value the DR more than their predecessors, so hopefully we’ll finally address our shortcomings there. Regardless, you should never make future decisions based on past mistakes. Not using your full slot value is unacceptable and if that trend continues we know who to blame.

Tanking isn’t an overly valuable strategy for us beyond this year. But this year we have a real shot at the top pick and should pursue it as long as we’re also using the bulk of our playing time on evaluating our various young players. After this year, we should hopefully have some core pieces in place, with the next wave of guys (primarily Schultz & Smith) reaching the show, and more intel on our other top prospects. We will be better situated to spend at that time. I am not 100% against giving up picks for free agents, but it’s got to be for a star or a B tier guy that puts you over the top. We are simply not at the point where we should be sacrificing long-term talent accumulation for win now moves.

I’m talking the offseason he added Robertson, Cabrera, LaRoche, and traded for Shark. Dollars may be smaller, but Cabrera & LaRoche basically put up the same level of fWAR in the season prior to signing with us that Santander & Alonso just put up. And Robertson was a pretty high end closer at the time. Hahn received accolades for all these moves and yet ultimately they didn’t move the needle enough to make us truly competitive. To be candid, I like your players more than those guys, but the key risk and point still holds true. Unless you’re buying legit stars (see Soto), it’s damn near impossible to buy you’re way to competitiveness, especially when you have zero foundation in place.

Do you actually want to win a World Series eventually or be stuck the baseball equivalent of NBA hell? Because it seems like you want to make moves that make us a little better next year but won’t push us to competitiveness all while destroying real long term value for the org. And beyond just forfeiting draft picks and international slot in 2025, you are also likely weakening your draft position in the 2026 and eating payroll flexibility on dudes approaching their mid 30’s. All because rebuilding the right way is boring and takes too long.

Are you actually suggesting that we should forfeit a high 2nd round pick and $500k of international slot coming off a historically bad year and with no core pieces in place, just so we can pay Anthony Santander 5/$100M for his age 30 to 34 seasons? That’s really the best path to success in years 2027 to 2029? Isn’t this the type of s%*# Rick Hahn did prior to the last rebuild? Trying to retool on the fly with several B & C tier free agents despite massive holes across the roster? And the big difference there, is that team actually had some really nice core pieces in place in Abreu, Eaton, Sale, Quintana, & Rodon. We literally have NOTHING right now outside of Robert and he won’t be here come 2028. You can make this about Jerry being cheap, but your plan simply doesn’t work when the major league roster is this barren. I get that means another year of awful baseball, but unfortunately that’s the price we must pay for years of ownership and front office neglect. Three B tier free agents won’t change that and is more likely create landmines akin to the Benintendi contract when we do finally have the pieces in place to compete.

So planned interviews so far: Ben Johnson (OC / DET) Aaron Glenn (DC / DET) Anthony Weaver (DC / MIA) Vance Joseph (DC / DEN) Jets not planning to interview Johnson. Glenn apparently a favorite of both the Jets and the Saints. Vrabel makes a lot of sense for the Patriots. The Jaguars keeping their GM Trend Baalke may impact the attractiveness of the HC role. Johnson should be ours for the taking potentially…

This is the right way to approach it, but I still can’t comprehend how they hired Eberflus in the first place and the real concern is does Poles want to hire a guy who might require him ceding some power. We know he’s not happy about Warren taking on some control and there have already been some rumors out there about him not being interested in Johnson due to self preservation. I want to be an optimist here because Caleb, the Chicago market, a bunch of picks, and a boatload of cap space should place us head and shoulders above the Jaguars, Jets, & Saints. But for whatever reason, the Bears never want to make the obvious hire and that usually costs us.

Maybe it was bad timing or he wasn’t ready yet, but hiring a guy like this is not worth the risk for us. Either it’s got to be a swing for the fences, high ceiling offensive mind like Ben Johnson or a proven leader like Vrabel or Carroll. No franchise has been the victim of bad HC’ing as much as we have since Lovie’s exit. And I think we could be in the playoff mix as soon as next year if we hire the right guy…but we got to stop hiring C & D tier candidates.

I did not recall him being a HC, but the point still applies. If you go defensive minded HC, it’s got to be proven successful one like Vrabel or Carroll and they need to have a clear plan in place for OC / Caleb.

If the Bears go with a first time, defensive oriented HC I may just have to call it a wrap on my fandom.

Fulmer, Collins, Burdi, Burger, Madrigal, Vaughn…that stretch of picks is a key reason the rebuild failed along with poor resource allocation and the hiring of La Russa as manager.

I think he’s shooting for 5/$100M