Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (flavum @ May 11, 2012 -> 10:23 AM) I's ridiculous to even think about making moves right now. Until the Tigers show they can go on a run, the Sox aren't out of it. The wild card is also a decent possibility. While the AL East has to beat up on each other, we have 36 games left against two of the most god awful teams in the Twins and Royals. That's 28% of our remaining games against pure garbage.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 11, 2012 -> 12:52 PM) He is a 3rd baseman with back problems. We've seen how this story ends. Should we give up on Morel then?

That trip to L.A. next week is going suck for our players. No travel days before or after and they come back to Chicago and immediately have a day game.

QUOTE (MAX @ May 10, 2012 -> 12:42 AM) We have him signed (option) next year for twenty something million. We don't need to do anything long term like that now. Exactly. If Peavy pitches like this the rest of the way, then you simply pick up his option at the end of the season. The $22 million may seem like a lot, but the marginal cost is really $18 million and if you have to overpay any position on a year deal a legit ace is by far the spot to do so. Regardless, there is absolutely no reason to rush into anything stupid.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 9, 2012 -> 05:34 PM) Do you want KW around for 2-3 more years to rebuild? What the f*** does KW have to do with platooning Viciedo? Sometimes I think you're a very knowledgable fan, but then you go ahead and make some of the most ridiculously biased statements on this site.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 9, 2012 -> 05:09 PM) Viciedo should not see the field against RH pitching right now. Best lineup against righties would be: Fukudome Beckham Dunn Konerko De Aza Rios AJ Ramirez Lillibridge I'm all for resting Viciedo against tough RHP, but you do not under any circumstance completely platoon him. Then again, each time you make statements like this, I'm more convinced you are a troll. Your dislike of Viciedo is beyond unreasonable. We're talking about a 23 year old with 209 major league ABs, yet you're already to discard of him.

QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ May 9, 2012 -> 05:00 PM) Morel scratched with back soreness, per Bleacher Report. Escobar to start in his place. I really wish we had a better reserve infielder to use against RHP. Escobar has no business on the major league roster.

What's interesting is that we still haven't heard from KW on this. That leads me to believe that Sale's ultimate fate, even for this year, remains undecided.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 5, 2012 -> 04:23 PM) Say what you want. Cowley knows his s*** and predicted the Sale thing last January http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/1023...e-rotation.html Dude, you are such a f***ing troll. It's starting to get hilarious how hard you're trying. Your attempts to piss off the masses are becoming more and more obvious. Giving Joe Cowley props on this site with completely flawed backup? Lol, give it up.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 5, 2012 -> 12:47 AM) Dwyane Wise is on the New York Yankees and got a hit tonight and Juan Pierre is hitting .330 for Philly. Underrated around here. Troll! You may have everyone else fooled but not me. How the f*** is Dwayne Wise relevant to anything here? Oh wait, he got a hit last night so he must be underrated right? He's neither good or young, so what is your f***ing point? Thanks for the "catch", but otherwise f*** you Dwayne Wise. As for Juan Pierre, there is nothing underrated about a slappy leadoff hitter who has no power, doesn't walk, is not an effective base stealer, has a noodle arm, and is afraid of pop flies. Nothing in the slightest. I don't give a f*** if he was the first one to the stadium everyday with his lunchpail to perfect that slap swing of his. Juan at this point in his career is nothing more than an empty batting average. But clearly both players needed to be brought up for no apparent reason. Thank you troll for adding a little more anger to an already terrible sports day here in Chicago.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 4, 2012 -> 06:29 PM) The Royals will finish ahead of the Sox this year. I can guarantee this. I think the Sox will finish ahead of Minnesota though, barely. For the love of god, can someone please ban this f***ing troll!?

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 4, 2012 -> 06:29 PM) The Royals will finish ahead of the Sox this year. I can guarantee this. I think the Sox will finish ahead of Minnesota though, barely. For the love of god, can someone please ban this f***ing troll!?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:29 PM) Let him become a HOF closer. There's no shame in that. You don't rush into making a guy with #1 stuff into a closer, unless he's proven multiple times he can't handle a starter's workload. That's my beef with this decision. Shut him down him down for a while and try him again as a starter later this year.

I think it's beyond stupid to not shut him down for a while and then try him again at least one more time before making such a move. Unfortunately, it seems like the Sox think they have a better chance of winning this year with Sale as closer than with him missing serious time if kept a starter. I hope I'm wrong, because I find that logic completely idiotic.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:02 PM) I'm pretty sure I can go back and find myself having some serious "I told you so"'s on this one and the decision to put Sale in the pen last year. How do you know starting him in AAA last year wouldn't have produced the same result? Seems like quite the reach there.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 4, 2012 -> 04:41 PM) Well, most importantly, hopefully it's not serious for Sale and he's able to recover. If this ends up being a TJS situation, this organization is completely screwed. If Sale is a reliever long-term the Sox are screwed.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 4, 2012 -> 04:33 PM) *just stated on Boers & Bernstein, by the way. Tender elbow for Sale. Available to close on Monday. Not sure if this temporary or not.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 4, 2012 -> 01:03 PM) Actually more disappointing that Molina's stuff hasn't looked better (yeah, we know his control is playable, but...) and Castro still looks really, really rough, too. I wouldn't be surprised if the organization has some of the new arms are working on specific pitches.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 3, 2012 -> 05:52 PM) Need to know his minor league numbers. Viciedo did not tear through the minors and had a disconcerting K:BB ratio. Viciedo had 45 BBs to 83 Ks last season as a 22 year old Cuban in AAA. I think that's fantastic for such a young player, especially one who came to the U.S. with essentially no discipline.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 2, 2012 -> 12:54 PM) Never mind. I was being sarcastic...not a Stewart fan, lol. Has Stewart really been that bad outside of that one terrible outing? Regardless, I'd rather see Axelrod start if possible.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2012 -> 03:18 PM) Don't figure these as a total. The buyout is not affected by what portion of the season it is. It is $4 million no matter what. It doesn't matter if he is traded today or August 31st. Take the $17.5 million salary and divide it in two and get $8.75m. Add the $4 million buyout to it, which would come after the season, and the team who acquires Peavy owes him at least $12.75 million at that point. If they don't buy him out, they owe him $22 million for next year. If you had actually used the term marginal cost for next year, that would be different (for the 18 vs 22 argument). If a team were to exercise the option after picking him up at the midpoint of this year, they would owe Jake almost $31 million (22m+8.75m) for the next year and a half. Either way, that is a lot of money for a guy who has had huge injury issues for years now. First off, I am a complete idiot for dividing the buyout in half. So basically it costs $10 million to pick Peavy up at the deadline. I agree that's probably too much money for a team to absorb at the deadline, especially with the luxury tax concerns affecting the big spenders. I disagree about the likelihood of picking up Peavy's option if he pitches like an ace the rest of the way. Kenny traded away four prospects for an injured Peavy who had two years left at about $33 million on contract. He did this because he understands the significant value of an ace. To think KW wouldn't pay an additional $5 million to bring Peavy back, if coming off an ace-like season, seems crazy to me, especially since $4 million of that is a sunk cost.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2012 -> 02:39 PM) That contract is going to be a huge deterrent to any team interested in Jake. He has a $4 million buyout due, on top of a prorated $17.5 million salary for this year. Picking him up at the halfway point of the season would mean taking on about 12.75 million dollars for the rest of the 2012 season. His option for 2012 is $22 million, and not the $18m that was quoted earlier. I'm totally confused here. If his salary is $17.5 million and the buyout is for $4 million, then you're looking at a total cost of $21.5 million. The halfway point value would be $10.75 million, which is $2 million less than you were quoting. However, you're most likely going to trade him at the deadline, so a team would really be picking $7 million or so. Not nearly as bad as the picture you're trying to paint. Also, the option is indeed $22 million, but you've already factored in his buyout to the original cost of obtaining him. You can't include it there and then pretend that he still gets it if the option is picked up. The marginal cost of exercising the option is $18 million. There is no debating this. Therefore, a team considering trading for Peavy is looking at roughly $7 million in guaranteed commitments and another $18 million if they'd like to keep him for 2012. That's a lot of money, but not nearly as bad as you're trying to make it out to be.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Apr 24, 2012 -> 09:07 AM) There is zero chance we pick up the option. Why? The marginal cost to pick it up is $18 million. If Jake continues to pitch like an ace and stays healthy, I'm very confident we'd pick it up. That might not be likely, but it's at least possible.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2012 -> 08:10 AM) Just enjoy it. There really isn't much of a scenario that brings him back here. If he ends up hurt or bad, we won't want him. If he ends up really good, some idiot GM will offer him too much money and/or too many years. Yeah there is. If he keeps this up, then we'll end up picking up his option. $18 million for one year seems more than reasonable for an ace. No reason to worry about this right now though. He needs to continue to dominate and prove he can stay healthy before we'd even want him back next year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 23, 2012 -> 05:47 PM) The sad thing is, this is pretty much exactly what I expected would happen several months ago...bad starts for the young 3, calls growing for all 3 of them to see the bench. The only bright sign for me so far is that Robin flat out hasn't listened, and I really hope he keeps that up. Except you didn't expect the team to be a 1/2 game out of first because of an extremely talented pitching staff and production from Dunn & Rios. I understand the need to develop these three guys, but at the same time you must also recognize this team can win now with it's pitching. There's got to be some balance between the two. Playing Fukudome or Lillibridge here or there is not not going to stunt Viciedo, Morel, or Beckham's development, but it could help us win a couple of games and that might be the difference between making and missing the playoffs in the end.