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DeJong was intended to be short-term placeholder for Montgomery and he was paid like it. Your beef should be with Nicky Lopez not Paul DeJong.

They clearly signed this guy as cheap placeholder for Montgomery. He wasn’t intended to be someone who would return a lot once moved and his $1.75M salary reflects that. I’ve been a huge critic of Getz, in particular how he’s wasted considerable at-bats on low upside or bad players, but I can’t criticize the DeJong signing or this particular trade.

He didn’t really his own in the majors this year though. That wRC+ is a total mirage if you believe the Statcast data.

What move are you referring to?

The problem isn’t the player himself (assuming their evaluation is right), but that Getz paid for him like we was still a top 40 prospect with 6+ years of control.

I don’t need to know what the offers are, the dude has a unicorn for sale in a market desperate for SP. If Getz told teams he was dealing him now and not waiting until the deadline, then teams would stop slow-playing in hopes of Getz accepting a s%*# offer.

Fully agree. If Getz doesn’t trade Crochet, then Getz has completely failed this deadline.

100% agree.

I am bumping my Crochet trade odds up to 80%. Getz has every right to feel betrayed by Garrett’s agency going to the media with the extension demand, but the way he talked about it yesterday just screams a relationship beyond repair and in this org that means you are long fucking gone as the player.

Yeah, the issue is we overpaid for Edman. I think turning Edman, Kopech, and Gonzalez (if you assume he was for Pham) into the three pieces we got from the Dodgers is mostly fine. But Fedde for Edman straight up feels like a very large miss and certainty a solid prospect short. I have come to terms overnight that this is both a bad deal for the Sox and one that could work out fine in the end.

Oh they won’t make that trade, just saying I’d hook them up with a legit ace under cheap control if they were willing to.

Vargas’ AAA StatCast figures are fascinating. For a guy known for his hit tool, his xBA is only .250 (vs. an actual BA of .290). This is much lower than most of the top AAA hitters despite K & Whiff rates in line or better than them (must be batted ball related, but that data is not available). However, his 19.9% BB rate helps offset this somewhat low average and pushes him to a xOBP to .413. But his high-end xwOBA isn’t just driven by his elite BB rate. He’s shown pretty good power figures demonstrated by his .276 ISO and .460 xSLG. But what’s super interesting (and maybe not good) is his hard contact rate of 35.3% is well below anyone putting up similar or better power figures and his Barrel rate of 5.8% is also on the low end for hitters in this area. Again, without batted ball data it’s hard to put the whole puzzle together, but at least his average launch angle of 21 degrees should theoretically be resulting in lots of line drives. The big question is how much of this is sustainable in the majors. His Statcast figures in the majors are putrid with poor quality of contact. And this year he has a pull % 16 points above league average which is clearly not sustainable and probably not helping given his profile. He has walked at very nice clips but well below that elite AAA level. If he can bump up the walk rate some and the quality of contact improves to a certain extent (which it should for a guy with a 65 hit tool), he’s going to be an above average hitter. I’m not sure he’s got the power you’re looking for in the middle of the order, but it feels like he could be a really nice top of the lineup table setter who provides a high OBP, pretty good speed, and probably average power. The lack of a position is obviously concerning, but it feels like he should have the tools to play a solid OF corner at some point his speed and arm. I know the OF is fairly new to him, but I would immediately put him in LF and let him get comfortable there (sorry Benintendi but you’re being relegated to worse DH in baseball history). He’s certainly not the sexiest of profiles and I don’t think Getz got all he could for the trio of players traded, but I feel like Vargas can be a nice piece of the puzzle if he can a defensive spot where he can be roughly average.

We can definitely worked a trade for both of them. Mayo, Norby, Beavers, and a pitcher. Deal done.

Maybe they have a few options and Miller is the way we be leaning. Don’t know why Bob would otherwise report that specific name.

My guess is that player is Noah Miller, who Bob originally reported as being part of the trade. Sounds like a high end defensive SS with a very questionable bat. He’s certainly a lottery ticket but a semi decent one and would make me feel a tiny bit about the trade.

I will say upon reflection, it feels like Getz prioritized getting a major league ready bat for Fedde than getting the best possible return.

@Y2Jimmy0 - How do you feel about the trade?

Which is probably negative value…lol

If true, the trade basically works out like this: Fedde & Pham for Vargas (bad) Kopech for Albertus & Perez (ok)

What in the actual f***? Did Chris forgot which team he was the GM for?

The Graveman & Middleton returns were fantastic for what we gave up.

If you want you view this trade as a positive, you can cling to a couple of things. Vargas has hit incredibly in AAA this year and when using a 190 PA threshold, he’s ranked first in wRC+ at 149, third in BB % at 19.9%, & 4th in ISO at .276 all while sporting a BABIP below his career norms. Obviously these figures are inflated due to playing in the PCL, but so are everyone else’s and their AAA stadium actually has pretty average park factors. The other two kids we received may not have plus tools, but they both have advanced plate discipline at their age and that’s something we have struggled developing. Perez is sporting a .380 OBP and 119 wRC+ in Low A as a 19 year old and Albertus destroyed complex ball with a .479 OBP and 151 wRC+ before being promoted to Low A (he is also 19). While I always prefer prospects who have at least one non-arm carrying tool, guys with average tools that illustrate strong discipline early on oftentimes are underrated in these rankings. But to be clear, I hate this trade and the last remaining hope I had for Chris Getz all but died today.

Lol…I wonder if that combined with the snitching is what got him the job. I bet Jerry was impressed with his creativity even if it ultimately didn’t accomplish a much of anything.