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QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 10:20 AM) I strongly suggest reading Steve Rosenbloom's column on the Sox today in the Tribune. It is 100% right on the money. When the executive VP says publicly he can't figure out what's wrong with the team while the G.M. is saying publicly that everyone is open minded in what needs to be changed you've got a serious disconnect...to say nothing of the disconnect between the organization and the fan base. Really good reading. The reality of course is that as long as JR owns the franchise there will not be much substantial change certainly not bringing in skilled people from outside "the family." Which means more losing, more irrelevancy in their own market and more fan apathy. Also one of the other Sox writers for Chicago Now has an interesting column on why Kenny Williams needs to go at the Tribune web site. Mark Anyone got a link for this?

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 10:20 AM) I strongly suggest reading Steve Rosenbloom's column on the Sox today in the Tribune. It is 100% right on the money. When the executive VP says publicly he can't figure out what's wrong with the team while the G.M. is saying publicly that everyone is open minded in what needs to be changed you've got a serious disconnect...to say nothing of the disconnect between the organization and the fan base. Really good reading. The reality of course is that as long as JR owns the franchise there will not be much substantial change certainly not bringing in skilled people from outside "the family." Which means more losing, more irrelevancy in their own market and more fan apathy. Also one of the other Sox writers for Chicago Now has an interesting column on why Kenny Williams needs to go at the Tribune web site. Mark I disagree with trading Sale. I don't think this organization can identify or develop can't miss prospects except for pitchers. I would crown the Royals or Cubs as model organizations. A whole lotta suck for two decades and a World Series loss isn't great. The Cubs got some great trades - OK. People act as if they are in the post season. I find the Cardinals organization fascinating. They let a Pujols go, have injuries and they still know how to win. A couple years ago, Rosenbloom commented on Garcia, wait til he stops being a Tiger and becomes a White Sox. On Smarj, "Want ace money. Act like one."

QUOTE (harkness @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 11:44 PM) Any message board... of any team... in any sport that has 4 bad seasons in a row like this... You will find complaining/despair. We can't really change it but we can celebrate success... and lament disappointment Welcome to the interwebs Go to any fan forum of a winning team and fans b**** because they are not good enough. You should have seen a Pats board early in the NFL season after a loss.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 05:22 PM) Agree 100%. If they're not ROY candidates from the start, they suck or are backups. Guys can never improve. Look at the aforementioned Dozier. His first year, 84 games, he hit .234 with .271/.332/.603 line in 316 plate appearances. Saladino's number are pretty similar through 147 plate appearances at .233/.270/.326/.599 It would be interesting to look up Big Hurt's stats before being called up but I think his beginning MLB experience stats were better than the minors.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 05:34 PM) i am drunk and i am feeling good, so i am in this catch -22 kind of circle. i am happy the sox won, but they are screwing up the draft. i want a good draft, but that will happen if the sox loose. dang.... i am confuse. I want some good scouts. Oh yay yipee another pitcher. I don't mind it if they could bat .400.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 06:18 PM) I would put the over under at 3 years 50 million at absolute most for Shark. He's not going to take a 6 year 80 million dollar deal, not with his ego and nobody is gonna give him 6 years 110 million. The scary thing is the Sox would probably make an offer close to that. He is OVAH RATED!

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 05:25 PM) I heard that yes he was really pissed that the Sox did not deal him in July I bet so were the White Sox.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 06:22 PM) Agreed, there's a contingent of Sox fans that are always miserable and you wonder why they haven't gone to another team already if they hate the franchise so much. I'm not happy with the current state either but I don't get the point of endlessly complaining. Yeah we're a bandwagon fanbase but so are most fanbases so meh. We're hardly unique there. I'm getting there. I don't see any hope under this ownership. Then if ownership ever changed they would probably keep the same people.

He fits in with the other mental midgets on this team.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 11:13 PM) there are many ways of being a fan, even if it means loosing in order to ensure a better pick in the draft. there is nothing wrong on that or for that way of thinking. i prefer for the sox to win, and if they loose, oh well. they gave it a try. but i will not look down on anyone to cheer for them loosing for a lousy season. I can never be giddy about this when they are bad at scouting, development and only go for a pitcher.

QUOTE (AlSoxfan @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 07:08 PM) Sounds to me like they're thinking of a big trade involving a fan favorite. Sounds like the usual bulls***.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 08:02 PM) But...White Flag, the Sox attendance will nosedive, etc., etc. Would have been nice if they would have started rebuilding in 2007 instead of eight years later. If that had been done correctly, we'd be sitting in a sweet position right about now. According to this thread, we're now pushing back to 2018-19-20. Hope they get it right at some point. And/or decide to hold someone accountable for not getting it right finally. I don't think it matters if you are not good at scouting and drafting.

Duke = mental midget. When guys do this only trust them with an out or replace them.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 31, 2015 -> 12:24 PM) It's the Sox season of inactivity so I don't expect anything to happen however... . 1) The Sox might secretly admit they blew it not getting anything for Shark and try to save a little face getting something for Robertson . 2) Having seen what Jones can do even though he's a good candidate to be reinjured , they might just have to take that chance. 3) The Yankees have seen how the Jays made up a lot of ground and now might be considered the favorites in the AL. Although the Yanks BP is good, it is not elite and with their starting pitching being so so the BP if upgraded give the Yanks a much better shot at a title. 4) Yankees have some interesting prospects . At catcher their is Sanchez who's work ethic and defensive skills are both highly questionable . Has a powerful bat but never sure where his head is at. John Ryan Murphy ( the current Yankees backup catcher ) doesn't have the upside of Sanchez especially when its power we're talking about) but he's hit for decent average and had a positive WAR for 2 seasons with the Yanks in limited AB's. Both are RH. Luis Severino RH P tearing up the minors. Yanks #1 prospect no chance for him. Jorge Mateo if the Yanks offer him the Sox should jump at the chance . RH SS speed to burn . Still rough with the glove much like Tim Anderson but has a good hit tool and its been coming quickly. Still just 20 ,he's at A+ now. Other position players to look up Aaron Judge (OF), Greg Bird (1b), Eric Jagielo (3b). Robertson has trade value especially to the Yanks since they know him well. To those suggesting a salary dump giving JR up for nothing , not a chance in hell. I'd say 60/40 chance nothing happens but the Yankees want a quality reliever bad. Sounds like the perfect White Sox. They will somehow think they can fix this and evidence points more to them taking it to a higher level.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Aug 30, 2015 -> 12:46 PM) Well I give Q the benefit of the doubt because he's usually solid. s***mardzija... Not so much. Danks>>>>>>>Smarj NL player + losing organization = bad investment by the White Sox. Solution - stop, please just stop

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Aug 30, 2015 -> 12:04 PM) I really can't see much of an argument that justifies keeping KW or RV. I'm still on the fence with Hahn, but in losing hope that area as well. The sad thing is, I really don't see any moves being made under the Reinsdorf loyalty regime. Pretty much any GM and manager in this league would have been fired after year 2 with those dog crap numbers. Especially if you didn't even partake in a rebuild. THey are on year 4 together and haven't been in contention since September of 2012. What am I missing here? They made little progress in advancing the farm system, over valued the "new core" and have been playing musical chairs with guys at 3b and 2b. Seriously, I believe this "3 year plan" was pulled out of thin air in an effort to make Sox fans believe they are making progress. Luckily, Sox fans are not naïve, we are tired of the suck fest and want someone new calling the shots at the top of this withering mountain. We are not afraid of a rebuild.. In fact, we would embrace a rebuild. No accountability anywhere, even down to the players. They like it here. My theory for their win streak is some guys where worried about getting traded.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Aug 30, 2015 -> 12:45 PM) 2 weeks ago they mailed it in. Spring training they mailed it in.

2015 White Sox Organization

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 28, 2015 -> 08:50 PM) Boring all year except the 7 game win streak against s***ty teams. unfortunately I classify the Sox as a s***ty team

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 28, 2015 -> 08:44 PM) Saladino looks like a utility player says every fan of a team who has a bad farm system

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 28, 2015 -> 08:22 PM) White sox baseball Almost an oxymoron.

Another foot to the left and might have been a tie game.

Owwwwwwww!

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 28, 2015 -> 08:05 PM) Samardzija will end up being pitcher of the month in September or a meaningless waiver trade like a AA pitcher, era 8+, maybe, just maybe Coop can fix him if he ever got that far.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 28, 2015 -> 08:00 PM) Meh, Shark just sucks. That's wasn't a bad trade at the time. No but it seems the getting name players from the NL just isn't working.