Thad Bosley

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 11, 2015 -> 02:31 PM) Re-reading the article I think he is obviously trying to put things into perspective. All of these other teams that people want to emulate took between 5 and 10 years of being awful to get to where they are now. The Sox are trying to speed that time line up. He is trying to realign expectations a bit, but still send the message that they aren't punting for a half of a decade. At no point does he say they are starting a new rebuild, only continuing what they started a few years back. On the contrary - that's exactly the message he's conveying. When he talks about a template to "praise" or "emulate" that involves a record below .500 for a "minimum of five years", then that's him realigning our expectations, big time. Gladly (if you can actually use that word this way), to your point, we are not starting that rebuild right now. Many aspects of a rebuild started in 2013, stalled only by last offseason's activity. But in resuming those rebuild efforts now, by the time this team is competitive again, given the current state of the team, "half of a decade" and maybe then some will have been "punted". Think 2013 to whichever the next year is that we'll be competitive after this rebuild is complete. Unless you think rebuild efforts involving obtaining young, cost-controlled players will somehow make us competitive in the next couple of years.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 05:34 PM) Hopefully he can become the full time manager when Robin gets canned at the All Star Break next year. Well by "hoping" for that you are also hoping the Sox have played poorly enough by the All Star break to warrant Robin getting canned. I hope he is named "Manager of the Year" for 2016 because he's led the team to places we haven't been in a long, long time. Achieving those goals trumps any desire for Ventura to get fired by a long shot!!

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 12:22 PM) Did anyone else see the last 2 lines of the article? I read that as if the Sox decide to fire Robin mid-season, they can still offer Sandy the job. But that would mean some sort of interim manager named to finish out the season, and then Alomar named in the offseason, correct? Coaches don't bolt teams mid-season to take over managerial positions on other teams.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Nov 1, 2015 -> 09:07 PM) The Royals only signed Morales because they couldn't land Torii Hunter. They also signed Alex Rios. The Royals are geniuses. Until further notice they are. Back-to-back trips not only to the postseason, but to the World Series, no less, including now a World Series championship. That must have been some "Three Year Plan" they were on to accomplish all of that!

QUOTE (Baron @ Nov 1, 2015 -> 07:55 PM) Good when are we trading Sale and Q? Since your strategy involves wasting time we might as well trade them. That's exactly correct. We still have Sale, and we still have Abreu, and they ain't going anywhere. That means we still have the "Three Year Plan" to maximize that oft-mentioned "window of opportunity" of having them with the Sox during their prime years (and at outrageously cheap prices!). We burned through Year One of the Plan without much to show for it, as we know. So for Years Two & Three, I fully expect Hahn and Williams to continue to make a flurry of moves, free agents and trades, to try and right the ship. Both of them, in their own words, state that the goal is to get back to the postseason as quickly as possible while the "core" is intact. I don't think you get there by playing too many of the marginal positional players who were brought up last year, and/or putting all of the eggs in the basket of hopes that all of the vets who performed poorly last year will return to form. The Three Year Plan needs to be about a lot more than that.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 25, 2015 -> 10:35 AM) 6.5 seasons to be ten games over .500. Realistically, we could say six since it's impossible to turn around a season for a losing organization with no resources committed when you're hired in the middle of the year. Interesting math system there. 7.5 seasons for the WC and World Series. 8.5 seasons for the division and World Series. Best record in the AL from 2013-2015 and two consecutive playoff and World Series appearances, something the White Sox have never done in franchise history. All this coming from MLB's smallest media market and with a very limited payroll until Glass approved adding James Shields. By the end of the World Series, more playoff/postseason games in two years than the White Sox have had in the past 55. The White Sox had 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16...which is 8 years MAYBE getting back to .500 in Year Eight (and Year 2 of some plan or another) but right now even that's highly unlikely to most. If the White Sox made it to the World Series in both 2017 and 2018 they'd still be behind schedule. I don't think anyone will take that bet, though. Last year it was luck or a fluke in the WC game...this year it was the umpiring. What will it be next season as the excuse? If Ned Yost is worse than Ventura and Moore isn't that good either, why haven't the White Sox with exponentially more resources been able to pull off the same seemingly easy feat? Ha ha! You've done it now! Dick Allen's gonna be by real soon and you'll be labeled a "complainer", a "whiner" and/or a "moaner" faster than Grant took Richmond for laying out these facts here. You know he doesn't like that, and Hell hath no fury like a Dick Allen scorned at Soxtalk!!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 25, 2015 -> 09:46 AM) So it took him 8.5 seasons to reach the World Series in consecutive years. KW gets ripped for his inability to produce sustained success like this during his 13 years at the helm. That would be about right.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 25, 2015 -> 12:04 AM) http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-colum...le41341293.html Maybe Thad Bosley can use his persistence to deliver this column to JR before it's too late... How much nicer would it be to be reading about Mr. Reinsdorf talking about how it felt to be hugging the William Harridge trophy AGAIN cuz he won the pennant AGAIN, and how electrified the Sox fan base was as a result. TV ratings and attendance going through the roof down there in KC. Wouldn't you rather be hearing the Chairman waxing eloquent about that same phenomenon going on with the Sox rather than him sharing his uninteresting point of view on whether the '05 WS had more of an impact on the city than the '85 Bears Super Bowl championship. Who the heck cares about any of that! LOL - win, darn you!! WIN! Start winning and talking about that already!!!!! Enough of the fluff!

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 23, 2015 -> 03:49 PM) Unfortunate that he didn't address one single issue that Sox fans are concerned about today regarding the state of his franchise (of course he may have agreed to the interview only under certain conditions, he has done so in the past...) Basically a fluff piece. Mark No he did not. Maybe "the Chairman" should read this masterfully written analysis by the very thoughtful Jim Margulus over at SSS and then address the several salient observations therein, everything from the playoff drought of the past decade to the organization's refusal to act like a big market team and go out and get a premium free agent at least once in a while. He notes that the Sox are one of six teams that have never doled out a contract greater than $70 mill. The other teams? The A's, Indians, Pirates, Royals, and Diamondbacks. Seem right to you? But don't you fret, dear diehard fan. Mr. Reinsdorf understands how important the game of baseball is to you and society as a whole - that's what he says, anyway - and so he'll continue to strap on his working boots each and every day and head into the office to be an integral part of the "day-to-day operations" of the White Sox. The only teensie weensie problem with that arrangement is the likelihood of more of the same of we've gotten from said involvement in the last seven, ten, 20, 35 years - slice that pie any way you'd like, it all comes out the same. It can actually make you feel sorry for the likes of a KW and RH if they are constantly micromanaged and overridden by someone with such a long track record of failed ideas. http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/10/24/960...x-missed-chance

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 23, 2015 -> 01:09 PM) At least he has a batting average for exciting seasons. Look at Ricketts, he's like 0-6. The press was praising him yesterday. Don't they realize not ever having a lead in the NLCS makes your entire season dull. He should sell. You must buy snarky comments in bulk because you sure do heap a whole lot of them around here. But at least you didn't accuse me of whining and complaining, so I guess I have that to be thankful for. Meanwhile, continue to indulge yourself in your feint praise of Reinsdorf's 1-for-35 record of anything remotely approaching postseason achievement with that of Mr. Rickett. I can't imagine the riveting conversation that will spring forward from this astute observation of yours.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Oct 23, 2015 -> 12:26 PM) I disagree that a White Sox World Series was bigger than a Bears Super Bowl winner… Maybe it was for Sox fans, but not in the picture of how it impacted the city.. Those of us 65 and under..(the vast majority of those who follow Chicago sports)…as opposed to Reineys' age group…certainly remember following the Bears…those of us in our 60s remember the 1963 Championship, the days of Butkus, Gale Sayers, etc… a roller coaster week in Chicago sports.. on the plus side, the North Side Halloween freak show is over, and the down side.. Reinsdorf wants to keep going with the Sox into his 90s, and he's confirmed he's involved in day to day operations…. I need a little dose of fake condescending delusional Rongey type optimism to snap me out of my Sox funk..NOT He also stated he sees no reason why he should discontinue his involvement in the running of the team. I guess he doesn't come to Soxtalk, because I could swear, I may be wrong, but I could swear I've pointed out once or twice the record of achievement, or lack thereof, that his involvement has rendered during his 35 years as owner. We'd all be much better off if someone took his so-called day-to-day responsibilities running this team off his plate as well!

QUOTE (Saufley @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 06:15 PM) Don't forget that next year will be year two of the three year plan Which would suggest the Sox will be in play for one of the marquee available outfielders out there, be it Upton, Heyward, Cespedes, Gordon, or someone significant on the trade market. We are currently below average at two of the three OF spots, so to become competitive enough to...gulp...wait for it...wait for it...actually return to postseason play in the next year or two, we need to act like a big market club and land one of these OF prizes. No more second tier Cabrera/LaRoche types.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 07:39 AM) Their White Sox information couldn't be more wrong the past 5 years. If the White Sox trade Eaton who is signed to a team friendly extension, they will also need to find a leadoff hitter. Unless overwhelmed, the idea makes little sense. A team offensively challenged giving up one of its top hitters to open up a space for a guy based on his 130 or so major league ABs and ignoring his minor league numbers which would indicate the major league performance is a bit inflated, is not borderline insane. It is totally insane. This. Not a thing more to say about this ridiculous idea other than this.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 18, 2015 -> 10:50 AM) Why would you ever have become a White Dox fan if complaining isn't your favorite hobby? While you blame Reinsdorf for 34 of the past 35 years, using your criteria for exciting seasons the White Sox hadn't had one BEFORE JR since 1917. so the previous 63 seasons were all horrible misery as well. I why didn't you answer my question about what you are going to do about it? Just keep complaining? That hasn't worked. Mirror, mirror on the wall...

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2015 -> 10:13 AM) This is my point exactly. This is what you get out of the team. Nothing good at all. Every single post is misery. It is like Kathy Bates has Jerry Reinsdorf locked in the room with your keyboard. Correction: this is what "we" have "gotten" out of the team during Reinsdorf's years as owner, from a purely team results point of view. Our Sox did not win one playoff series in 34 of his 35 years as owner - that's been unfortunate for us all. What Kansas City Royals fans have gotten to experience these past two years with their team going deep into the postseason in consecutive seasons, Reinsdorf has failed to provide us such an experience in 35 years. That's the record of the past and it is certainly worthy of mention and debate. Now moving forward, I, as would most of the fans at this site who are more team results-oriented and less insults-to-other-fans focused, we simply would like more winning and more active participation in the postseason. How much more simply stated could that be. There are legitimate questions and concerns, however, as to whether Reinsdorf and his management team can make that happen based on their less-than-impressive track record. I HOPE THEY DO! It's fine if some fans like yourself, SS2K5, don't necessarily need to see the team in the postseason any more frequently than the pace they currently make it there. That's up to you to decide for yourself. But for the rest of us, just be respectful of our desire for the U.S. Cellular electric bill to be much higher in October more frequently than it has been over the past few decades.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2015 -> 10:14 AM) He's mocking you, and it went over your head. Lol - umm, yes, I knew that, but don't you agree it was more interesting to treat the pesky little comment as if he did mean it? I thought so, at least, and that's what I did. Hope you enjoyed the retort!

QUOTE (captain54 @ Oct 17, 2015 -> 02:07 PM) I think Reinsdorf should count his blessings that the media coverage is sparse… it could be a real eye opener for the fans, and for citizens of Illinois I don't remember much of this mentioned in the media… Reinsdorf being sued by an ISFA official for pulling strings to have her removed, for trying to re-negotiate the deal not only with the stadium but with the then to be build Bacardi in the Park On April 25, 2011, Irmer arrived to work and "discovered that she had been locked out of her office and denied access to her computer and personal property," her suit alleges. "She saw that [Thompson and an aide] were waiting for her and the former governor summoned her into a conference room." Thompson gave her "the choice of resigning or waiting to be fired, and he added that if she refused to resign and they 'had to' fire her, that her reputation would be ruined," according to the suit. She was fired two days later, the suit says. "In no uncertain terms, Perri Irmer was terminated as the direct and proximate result of Jerry Reinsdorf's exercise of undue influence over former Governor Thompson," says the suit. too bad Reinsdorf's legendary loyalty doesn't extend to the taxpayers of the state of Illinois, for footing the bill in order for he and the legion of very wealthy investors and their families to become even wealthier Never heard the outcome of that suit, but at the time it was reported by the Tribune, the article mentioned that once Ms. Irmer successfully got the Sox to actually start paying rent in 2008 for a stadium that they were simply reaping all of the rewards from at no cost to them, it was all over but the shouting for her. According to the Trib, Reinsdorf immediately began lobbying the Blago to get her fired, which eventually culminated in the actions taken by Thompson as noted above. Let that be a lesson for anyone thinking they can tinker with Jerry Reinsdorf's sweet heart lease deal with the state of Illinois that he received by threatening to move the team to Florida if his demands weren't met. That's the esteemed leader of our White Sox right there, in all of his glory. If only Reinsdorf were as good at producing sustainable, winning ball clubs as he is at blackmail, maybe we all would have prospered somewhat as a result of the sweet heart deal instead of only Reinsdorf and the investors. They've become immensely wealthy; meanwhile, we've only seen postseason play come to U.S. Cellular Field just four times in the ballpark's 25 year existence.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 17, 2015 -> 09:19 PM) Yep Reimsdorf is trying to screw all of us. That's an interesting theory, and if you have any evidence to back it up, I'm sure we'd all be interested in hearing about it. In the meantime, let's be very clear in what most of the rest of us are talking about as it relates to the state of things today with the White Sox. No one other than Dick Allen with his post here has suggested that Mr. Reinsdorf has "screwed all of us", per se. But he has FAILED US. Failed us on so many fronts over the years, they're too numerous to count at this point!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 17, 2015 -> 09:01 AM) That is the most ridiculous justification of misery I have ever read. You sound like a battered spouse who is still trying to fix him. If you actually enjoyed the team at all, you wouldn't be constantly be complaining about the last 35 years all of the time. Another throw away comment only meant to insult, when you can't refute facts. So sad for you. Meanwhile, in 34 of Jerry Reinsdorf's 35 years of ownership of our White Sox, the team has failed to win even one playoff series. Not one! It's almost impossible to believe. The Kansas City Royals have a more impressive postseason record during this same time period, for crying out loud. That's why when we true diehard fans see the kinds of results we've seen as recently as the past decade, and yet the operating model still continues to be dominated by an unaccountable loyalty program, you see the angst in so many comments at a site like this. It also explains the miserably low attendance and TV ratings. These are the facts of the past as they relate to Reinsdorf's management of the team. He's been a complete disaster as owner. Now, can he and his unaccountable henchmen find a way to turn this thing around and find that elusive "sustained success" they've been "talking about" for so long now? I guess it's possible - anything can happen. But boy oh boy, their track record doesn't create much confidence in their ability to do so. I hope they prove me wrong!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 16, 2015 -> 04:22 PM) You might think that you enjoy the good more, but you sure focus on the bad, almost exclusively. Life it what you make of it, and being a fan of a team isn't much different. I do enjoy the "good more", which is why I, unlike you, continue to look forward and strive for better than what we've achieved. You and Dick Allen are very clear in your acceptance of the status quo. Long ago, fans like you and Dick Allen kind of gave up, seemingly, and resigned yourselves to season after season of little to no expectations. That's why you're not disappointed in the team's results that practically every other fan base wouldn't tolerate. How else do you explain someone like Dick Allen pointing to seasons like 2003, 2004, 2006, and 2010 as "exciting seasons"? They were certainly better than many other dreadful seasons the Reinsdorf era has coughed up on us, but that doesn't make them exciting in the classical sense. You and Dick Allen focus more on excuse making for the horrid record of Reinsdorf over the past 35 years than I do reporting accurately on it, which is saying something, given my consistency of pointing it out. Life is what you make of it, as you rightly suggest. If that involves settling for much less than you should, then that's ok, if that's what you desire. It's also ok if you strive for something a little bit more, which overwhelmingly, the majority of fans of our White Sox on this site seem to do.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 16, 2015 -> 01:56 PM) If in 35 years, you have enjoyed yourself 1 season, I think any of us would conclude it's time to move on, but you appear to be someone who embraces whining and complaining. You must go to a restaurant, and wait to see how successful they become to determine if you enjoyed the meal. It must be tough for you to go to a movie when it first comes out because you won't know if you liked it until it's final box office numbers are in. It definitely appears you would rather complain about something than to enjoy it. That really is a shame. Life is good. Only the White Sox can be criticized and whined about 32 years later for being AHEAD of their time. Why is it you were willing to pay to watch them in 2005? Wrong song, LeRoy! I'd much rather enjoy and be chatting about good White Sox baseball than complain about bad White Sox baseball. Unfortunately, we've had more of the latter than former the past 35 years under the leadership of you-know-who. But you are correct about one thing - life is good! I just want White Sox baseball to be good as well, and enjoy more of it in the form of exciting postseason play than we have in the past 35 years. That little request there - more postseason play - is the point I keep making but which you inexplicably keep equating to complaining and whining and moaning and this and that. I don't know why you do that, but you do. It seems to be your thing. That's ok, though. I can handle it. I'll just "olay" that charging bull off to the side and continue on my merry way. Why? Because as a wise man once said: "Life is good."

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 16, 2015 -> 05:04 AM) You think this years teams making their league championship series are exciting, yet when the White Sox made their league championship series in 1983, 1993, not exciting. I guess the difference is I can watch something and immediately enjoy it. Apparently you need 6 months and final results to see if you enjoyed it or not. Not surprising. Too bad the Rangers season could have been exciting, but 3 consecutive errors ruined everything, therefore a dull season. Actually, and maybe you know this, Dick Allen, but was 1983 "exciting"? Most of us, the very great majority of us, in fact, certainly heard it was, but we wouldn't really know. Because that year, due to one of King Reinsdorf's many franchise-crippling moves from over the years, that particular team was practically hidden away from us on that brilliant brain child of Reinsdorf and Einhorn's known as "Sportsvision". So instead of having 150 games or so on free TV like the Cubs did the next season in '84 during their successful run that year, which made them wildly popular throughout the city and beyond, that '83 team, which was a very good team, was seen on free TV a mere 32 times, with the balance on Sportsvision, which practically no one subscribed to. I, like so many, had to rely on the broadcast stylings of one Joe McConnell on WMAQ radio to paint the mental image of what was happening on the field with that '83 team. So if it was exciting, it's only because McConnell told us so, thanks to that failed get-rich-quick Sportsvision scheme.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 07:03 PM) You have made my point. You can't tell if a season is exciting or not until the playoffs are over. Too bad you missed out on some fun times. 1983, 1990,1993, 1994 until the strike, 2000, 2006 was fun for a good while, 2008, the Blackout game was a joy, 2010 when they had a really hot stretch. There were some good times in other seasons as well. 2012 being in first place unexpectedly most of the season, 2003 first place in the middle of September, 2004, a great team until Maggs and The Big Hurt went down, too bad you didn't find those exciting. But keep on mentioning those 35 years. Start another thread about how you are going to choose a new team, then post the same tired post the next 6 months about JR and his 35 year reign of terror. LOL - well the next time I start a thread about choosing a new team will be my first, but hey! Don't let facts get in the way of you whining about something you can't argue against. In the meantime, why don't you go start your own thread about how you are going to choose a new team, and let us know how that works out for you. And thanks for proving the point that so many of the rest of us have made about what really defines an exciting season. If you are going to put seasons like 2006, 2010, 2003, and 2004 on par with the excitement that's going on now as we speak with the teams in the playoffs, well, I don't know what to tell you. Next thing you'll be citing the various "fun" winning streaks we've had throughout the years, too. Woo hoo! Meanwhile, I wonder how many Cardinals, or Yankees, or Giants, or Braves fans, etc, when asked to name their exciting seasons, have to settle for naming seasons that they failed to make the playoffs in. I can understand why you would, given the dearth of playoff action in these past 35 years of Reinsdorf's failure as owner of the White Sox.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 06:16 PM) Yes you did. You said they have had 1 exciting season in 35 years. And you have said you were going to give up your fan card. I guess you find whining about JR more attractive than rooting for a winning team. Lol - oh, c'mon. What are you doing here. You are twisting words left and right. First you say I said " the only way a season could be exciting is if the Sox won the WS", and then you clarify that by saying that I said the Sox " have had 1 exciting season in 35 years". You do realize that's two completely different statements, don't you? The first is, as I already mentioned, something I've never, ever said. I've never said that the only way a season could be exciting is if the Sox won the WS. Never, ever, and I'll eat my hat if you can go back and find a quote where I said such a dumb thing. (Don't worry, dear Hat of mine - you are in no danger!) As for the second quote about the one good season in the past 35, under the Reinsdorf regime, I certainly did assert that there has only been one truly exciting season during Reinsdorf's horrific reign as owner, that of course being '05. The other 34 years - only four playoff appearances with only four playoff wins among all four. That's not very exciting at all, now is it. Obviously there was excitement in the anticipation leading up to those playoff appearances, but those were quickly squashed by the results (particularly the 0-3 sweep by the Mariners in '00 and the 1-3 quick in & out against the Rays in '08). I could soften my stance a little bit, I guess, and say '83 was exciting, since it was the first trip to the postseason in 24 years at that point, even if we were outscored 18-1 in those final three games. But all in all, '05 was truly the only showing worthy of note during the past 35 years. No doubt about it! Finally, the only one really "whining", "moaning", and/or "complaining" around here is you, ironically enough. Seems to be your go-to option when you can't argue a point that you want to. If you don't agree with someone's criticism of Reinsdorf, or Williams, or whatever, just say it. Provide evidence or suggestions to the contrary. But don't throw down with the weak name calling. That's not interesting in any aspect.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 15, 2015 -> 06:06 PM) Says the guy who once posted the only way a season could be exciting is if the Sox won the WS. That would be a complete falsehood, Kind Sir. I have never, ever said anything of the sort. This is the second time you've accused me of saying something I didn't, most recently some silliness about me once saying I was going to take my business to the north side of town. That, too, gets filed in the "I have never, ever" category. You ought to really be sure of what you are saying before you say it. This is starting to get a bit reckless on your part. Just sayin'!