Thad Bosley

Visions of Dwayne Wise holding onto a ball when he hit the ground after he stole a homer, protecting a certain perfect game....

Holy cow!!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:03 PM) Your attempt at "explaining" was a feeble attempt to have it both ways. You are flat out referring to the 1960's as a reason the Sox don't have fans who go to games in 2015, but are trying to deny it in the same breath. Trying to use what happened in 1960 as a reason why people don't go to Sox games in 2015 is quite literally the worst reason I have ever heard given to be a bandwagon fan. If you want to be miserable and bitter about what happened 10, 20, 30, 40, 50+ years ago, feel free. But don't lie about it. The only thing feeble here is your reading and comprehension capabilities. I have never said, NOT ONCE, that what happened in the year 1960 is having an impact on the year 2015. When I bring 1960 up in any context, it is to state that it's the starting point of a very poor 55 YEAR RUN for our franchise, a run where we've only made it to the postseason five times. I am commenting on a period of time and not one year. It supports the greater narrative as to why the Sox have struggled with attention for the past half century. Every post I've made on this topic has been crystal clear on this point. For you to continually twist my words and regurgitate a wholly inaccurate version of what I said is really unfortunate and quite sad on your part.

Enjoying the back and forth between Hawk and Stone offering their perspectives on the career of Pedro.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 09:05 PM) They have been making these plans for over a decade. It didn't just show up this summer. Again, that shows you don't understand what is going on, nor the history behind it. Yes, Professor, I have no ability to understand the concept of forecasting. Way beyond me. What's not beyond me is the ability to call out the so-called "3 year plan" being used as a way by Williams to explain away the massive underachieving of the ballclub last month. Again, if you understood what was really going on, it would be very obvious.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 07:45 PM) I always understood the three year plan as us always planning out three years from the current year. Tactically, yes. All teams have some sort of forecasting mechanism they use to help guide their decision making process. Williams, on the other hand, used reference to this plan last month as a way to publicly placate the fans over this year's performance, to divert their attention from what's not happening this year to what could happen in Year 3, that magical Year 3.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 07:41 PM) Um, you reach back to 1960 very regularly. In fact, you did it in the very post where you are trying to argue you don't. Not only that, you did it thrice. And in what context do I consistently refer to 1960? (Hint - I just explained it to you.)

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 07:13 PM) The Sox don't "constantly" talk about the 3 year plan. Fans who don't understand the concept do. That's what I just said. They didn't talk about it over the winter, they didn't talk about it in spring training, but all of a sudden when we find ourselves in last place in June - POOF! There is this "3 Year Plan". Absolute, total gimmick. Fans who don't understand what's going on here fall for this cheap stunt.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 07:12 PM) A forward thinker isn't using what happened in 1960 as a reason for not doing something in 2015. That is the exact opposite of forward thinking. That is up there with seat color and the what the teams profits from 2006 were as "good" reasons to not go to games in 2015, for the most ridiculous stuff I have read on Soxtalk. LOL - what in the Sam h-e-double-toothpick are you talking about! Honestly, in your fervor to superficially bash the fans every chance you get, you seem to lose the ability to process what people post around here. I've never once reached back to 1960 to find a reason for why a Sox fan today might not tune into or attend a game of the 2015 team. The performance of this year's team has given them ample reason to stay away. When I bring up Reinsdorf's horrendous record as owner of the Sox during these past 35 years that have very little to show in terms of achievement, and even worse (as if possible, but it is!), the combined records of the Veeck/Allyn ownerships dating back to 1960, it's to explain why we don't have the robust fan base today one would expect a large market team to have. The putrid results of the last 55 years, including the 35 years of the most recent owner, have been less than desirable. Unless I'm wrong about that, SS2K. Is my assessment of the Reinsdorf years wrong, or that of the past 55 years? Because if I am wrong, please! Explain to me the error of my ways - provided your explanation doesn't include a misguided and inaccurate blaming of the fans. That dog won't hunt.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 07:15 PM) How can anyone feel sorry for Danks is beyond me. He got paid either way. The Cubs had the courage today to cut their on-field losses with Edwin Jackson and just release the guy, even with $15M still left to go on his contract. For the sake of "Year 2" of our recently-minted "3 Year Plan", one would hope Sox management might take a similar approach sooner rather than later with Danks.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:05 PM) In virtually every post, we are reminded of 35 years and/or 55 years. Yeah, that's not a grudge, lol. It is a virtual old man yelling at people to stay off his lawn, and talking about how good he had it in his day. And yet here you are, still complaining day after day after day about this franchise... after 35 years of disappointment. Apparently after 35 years of such a miserable existence, you are still here? You still haven't learned a lesson after 55 years? Sorry, who is the backwards thinker? Ah, but yet I am a forward thinker, you see. One who looks forward with boundless hope to the dawn of a new day for the Chicago White Sox when a new and far more effective ownership and management team comes in and takes over, and all of the ill-begotten strategies and approaches of the past 35 years are swept to the curb. That day will come, but until then, I'll continue to accurately assess the current state of things, and where I see fit to point out the shortcomings of the current ownership and management team for their continuous failure, I will.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 01:48 PM) I want to put something out there, because it seems it isn't as common of knowledge as I thought, but as long as Kenny Williams has been the White Sox GM, and until today, the White Sox have always had a 3 year plan. This isn't a new concept. There have always been stories about writers trying to figure out who is on Kenny's vaunted 3 year board. I can't believe how many people get duped by this "3 year plan" nonsense. It's nothing more than a gimmick to get you to take your eye off the problems of today and think about some promised land that is close, but not too close, in the future. Did Williams or Hahn even once refer to 2015 as Year 1 of this 3 Year Plan we're now hearing about at Soxfest? Was there any mention of Year 1 in spring training? Or did it just conveniently come up last month in front of reporters as a way to divert attention away from the club's poor performance this season? It's like visions of Year 3 is some feel good drug to make us all go away and feel really good about some magical point in the future while at the same time, forgetting about the teams's real issues today. I wonder if execs from teams like the St. Louis Cardinals and S.F. Giants constantly talk about 3 year plans the way our so-called brain trust does.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 08:00 AM) To the fan who is holding grudges over 35 and 55 year periods? That doesn't surprise me at all. But then, that is our fan base. I know it's inconvenient for you to offer up anything that might remotely resemble being critical of Sox ownership and management, but if you think pointing out the absolutely wretched record of achievement of this organization (only 5 playoff appearances over the past 55 years!) is simply me holding a grudge, then I don't know what to tell ya. If you are satisfied with the results of this half past century, then I also don't know what to tell ya. What I will tell you is that it's backwards thinking and flat out unfair to somehow blame the fans for this. The fans have certainly done their fair share to make Jerry Reinsdorf a very rich man over the past 35 years. He's come a long, long ways since his initial $20M investment. He's just come up way short on his part of the bargain, and there is no way to argue otherwise.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 06:54 PM) Casual fans are a large portion of our fan base. It is why we aren't able to have the patience that other teams do with their building process. Instead of being able to invest the time, we get the OMG 35 years! OMG 55 years! OMG White Flag... group that needs a long list of things to be right before they are willing to go to games. It is why the Sox are constantly trying to rush the rebuilds. If the Sox fan base had any loyalty to it, things could be done differently. LOL - backwards thinking, at its best!!

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 02:56 PM) Ha, I meant that as I don't think we'll sell until the deadline now. So you think we'll risk letting Shark make the start on Tuesday?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 10:00 PM) Don't say that. You'll hurt everyone's feelings who thinks they are the greatest fans ever. We may not have the largest fan base around, but the fans we do have are, in fact, great. The fact they support this club at all with the crappy teams they've been subjected to over the last 55 years supports that claim. Perhaps you could focus your contributions to the discussion on the reason for all of those poor teams, which is the ineffectual ownership and management over those 55 years, and less on bashing White Sox fans every chance you get.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 06:32 PM) Puig is so much more electric then Abreu (from marekting perspective). Puig isn't just exciting at the plate (like Abreu), he is exciting in the field (both good and bad) and on the basepaths. Puig is one of those rare guys you stop and watch because of what he can do on the field (again, both good and bad). Sounds exactly like the type of talent a team dead last in TV ratings and practically at the bottom in attendance desperately needs.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 08:35 PM) Why is Duke up? Put up Jennings and let him pitch the 9th if Q gets in trouble Why don't we just go bat crazy here and see if we can't witness Q's first complete game AND shutout of his career,,all at once!

Lol - I like watching the intentional walk on the pitch trax!

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 08:16 PM) Runs!!! Runs for Q!!

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 07:02 PM) Clearly its the inherently poor character of White Sox fans that is the root of all the problems. It's this schmickle fickle klickle fan base of ours, dontcha know. They will make any excuse - ANY! - not to watch or attend bad baseball. What's wrong with them!

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 08:11 AM) Somebody posted that the Orange line didn't have a stop at Roosevelt until years later. When the City of Chicago wanted to build the stadium for the White Sox in the South Loop, one of the things involved in the negociations was the adding of a el station at that location. The White Sox would have had to contribute to the cost of the station. JR refused to help pay for that train station. That helped break down the talks between the City and JR. Never made any sense to me what JR did. Every marketing study I have ever seen has shown that 20% of White Sox attendance comes via public transportation. I'm convinced more and more that no matter what the City offered JR he was going to refuse their offers because he wanted to have the stadium built in Addison on land that he owned. If the stadium had been built in Addison I don't know if JR would of owned the stadium. But I do know he owned that land. He wound up selling that land for $9 million dollars. My final comment on this subject is that for most of my life the White Sox ownerships were always talking about a new stadium for the White Sox going back as far as 1967. I never ever thought the new stadium would be built in the same area as the old stadium. I think JR screwed up big time, and the franchise and White Sox fan base has suffered because of it. No tears will be shed on my part when he is no longer running the White Sox. He had a stadium built where it should not have been built and he built a stadium where nobody wants to sit in the upper deck. Jerry Reinsdorf made a series of bungling decisions in the '80s that crippled this franchise and adversely impact it to this very day.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 12:59 PM) Location doesn't matter. Sorry. This team wins -- they show up. They lose, they don't. No matter how you try to slice the pie it's the same. I'd like to hear the argument how its easier to get to Wrigley than Comiskey. If I'm coming from the suburbs and driving, I'd rather go to Comiskey. If I'm taking the Metra? Sox Win. If I'm taking the El it's a wash. If we are complaining about the area of the ballpark the only thing that's true is that there hasn't been enough development to the IMMEDIATE surrounding areas of the park. Bars/shops/etc. I'm not talking a few blocks away, I'm talking like within a quarter mile. I just recently got the chance to start going to a few other ballparks and all that I've gone too have a nice feel around the ballpark. Minus the Royals. Winning team + interesting area surrounding the ballpark = people showing up Losing team + interesting area surrounding the ballpark = people showing up (see Cubs) Winning team + non-interesting area surrounding the ballpark = people showing up Losing team + non-interesting area surrounding the ballpark = people NOT showing up (see most of past half century with the White Sox)

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 12:17 AM) I would love the Sox main focus over the course of the next three years (since they always talk about a the year window) to be infrastructure as they just worry about building up the organization's talent base through the minors. Lol - hold it! "The next three years"? That would make the current three year plan a four year plan. No kicking the can down the road! This is sort of the KW approach in many ways, come to think of it. When things aren't going well, to all of a sudden start telling us about "three year boards" and now "three year plans" in an effort to get us to take our eye off the current sad state of affairs and focus on some promised land, which is always somehow three years away. The current plan is to "maximize the window of opportunity" with the current core, so let's just see it through. We are more than half way through the first year of that maximization approach, and obviously we have not maximized anything, other than to demonstrate how bad a major league team can look on both offense and defense. But between this year's trade deadline and the upcoming offseason's activity we should have a much better idea as to how well the Sox really are going to take advantage of having the current core around. We shall see!

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 09:27 PM) Who are they going to fire? Is there any chance that JR gets fed up with this s***? How about being fed up with JR? I know I am.