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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 10:37 AM) Frazier is not worth Anderson or Fulmer. Or Adams IMO. Two years of a 4-win third baseman at arbitration prices is unquestionably worth Adams, and I think Anderson/Fulmer are reasonable asks as well. I'm not saying I want the deal to happen, but that's what it costs.

Corbin > Miller

Good move. It's a gamble on Lawrie's upside, but if he rebounds it's a game-changer. We'll draft 10 more reliever prospects next June.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 02:53 PM) Houston would certainly be interested. Absolutely, but I don't think they're likely to offer a Stewart/Dombrowski package.

In all honesty, if that kind of overpay package still exists for Quintana, it probably only exists from the Red Sox. They have the ammo and a GM who has a history of selling prospects for dudes he likes.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 02:05 PM) This is a good point. Just because one GM is stupid enough to do a deal that some executives are calling the "worst trade they've ever seen", doesn't mean that other GMs are now equally as dumb. That being said, Quintana is a lot more valuable than Miller, so a proposal like that for Q is not at all outrageous like it was for Miller. I don't want to trade Quintana at all, and I would have been totally happy if we traded Quintana for the Miller package.

We can't get a Miller-like haul for Quintana now -- only Dave Stewart would make that deal, and Dave Stewart doesn't have enough good prospects now.

Is the "two minor league relievers" rumor busted?

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 09:47 AM) This isn't the Filibuster. Criticizing someone's religion or lack there of is not a PHT forum topic. I think his anger is more directed toward the "not here to play the game" part. Seems fair to me.

QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 11:31 PM) Bruce Levine ‏@MLBBruceLevine 34m34 minutes ago Cubs not done yet according to source . Big time outfielder next ? Hayward -Gordan - Car Go ? That's a man in a full-on struggle with his iPhone.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 12:50 AM) How would people feel about an Avi-Lawrie swap? I assume good Fantastic.

Unbelievable overpay

So see Castro WAS worth jack s*** all along.

Wow, what? Why? Gotta figure Castro and/or Baez is about to get traded.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 11:52 AM) How is Margot a much better guy? Anderson made huge strides this year defensively, and was better offensively and coming in, he was ranked a better prospect by about 20 with MLB.com and BP, and the Phil Rogers doing the ranking BA had Margot about 20 better. The fact that Anderson also plays SS has to factor in as well. They cannot trade him unless it's a really good deal and what is coming back is going to be around awhile. I don't think Anderson being higher than Margot actually represents consensus, and I think Margot's favor has increased over the course of the season and will reflect as the newest lists come out. In commentary on the trade, I heard that some consider him a top 20 guy right now. I think consensus on Anderson is around top 50. Of course they cannot trade him unless it's a good deal -- they can't trade ANY decent prospect unless it's a good deal. My point is that Anderson should not be an "untouchable" guy -- he's a pretty run-of-the-mill mid-100 prospect with great upside and tons of risks/warts. Absolutely valuable, but absolutely not irreplaceable and commonly and rightfully used as trade currency. Like other guys of his ilk, he's still vastly more likely to bust uselessly, which is something you very frequently point out.

Anderson is good, but he's like a mid-top 100 guy. That's a valuable but very movable asset. A much better (Margot) guy just got moved for Craig Kimbrel, for example. Anderson should not be untouchable; every system;'s "number one" prospect is not the same thing.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 10:24 AM) I doubt they eat any of it. Not their MO honestly. If that's the case, then Hahn isn't actually shopping LaRoche.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 07:14 AM) if the sox were going to go with a big bat as many are expecting, and it will be ok for them to sacrifice a draft pick, why not Chris Davis??? His profile doesn't tend to age well: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/chris-davis...in-free-agency/

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 10:05 PM) has anyone ever gone to the winter meeting???? Yes, it's a blast. You can meet to many interesting people, be on vacation at a high end resort, and check Twitter a lot.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 09:54 AM) Well said. If we get those two, and if we see production from Melky and LaRoche that is similar to what we expected when we signed them... Eaton Melky Abreu Upton LaRoche Frazier Avila/Navarro Saladino Sanchez That's a very good lineup. Exorcising Avi Garcia would really do wonders. I want a T-shirt that says, "Exorcise Avi!"

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 12:57 AM) Yes, this, yes. A great way to waste precious time and recourses is to chase the antiquated lineup "fit", when in reality you should be looking for substantial improvements in whatever form they present themselves. Just because Heyward is going to maybe hit a dozen HR less than you'd like when attempting to supplement this power starved offense, doesn't mean you overlook how much of an upgrade he is in every other facet of the game compared to other options. In my mind he actually draws comparisons to the offseason's hottest geezer in Zobrist, minus some of the defensive flexibility. He's the wise pickup of the offseason, even if he commands the highest position player payout. Indeed, and ESPECIALLY when your team needs help in so many ways. The offense is power-starved, yes -- but it's also OBP starved. And the defense is, well, defense-starved.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 07:16 AM) http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/what-would-...tion-look-like/ The whole idea of lineup protection is generally overstated. Thanks for posting that, so I didn't have to

It would be terribly sad and short-sighted if the Sox actually DON'T make a move because they can't find a way to move the final $13m owed to LaRoche. Make the right moves, THEN worry about reclaiming some LaRoche money. If you can't, then that's the price of taking a gamble, Mr. Reinsdorf.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 09:16 PM) If the Sox spend the kind of money needed to acquire someone like Upton, Heyward or Gordon, that would preclude any other big signings. Therefore, unless they are willing to trade a starting pitcher, the guy whom they sign better be their much needed clean up hitter. Who would fill that role better, Upton or Heyward? I continue to believe it doesn't make sense to target guys based on traditional batting order roles. The most important thing is that a "good hitter" will be added somewhere in the first four slots. Using that logic, Heyward is clearly better, as he adds a left-handed threat (the one LaRoche was supposed to add) and substantially improves the defense at the same time.

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