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QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 12:25 AM) Sox need a power bullpen. Move Danks to the pen as the loogy. Robertson is an OK closer. Let Nate try to be the Sox version of Herrera until he fails, which I believe he will. Sox need gas in the bullpen. There's no reason to trot guys out there like Duke and Petricka and Webb who we know simply can't cut it. The first two sentences on this are signature-able.

I wouldn't be surprised either way, honestly.

MOAR EVIDENCE THE SOX CAN NEVER WALK AWAY FROM A PLAYER THEY ALREADY HAVE

QUOTE (Jim Busby @ Nov 3, 2015 -> 02:33 PM) We Needed a Latin Hitting Coach - Maybe it is time to get RID of the General Manager. We need Baseball People to run this Organization not College Graduations who are great BSers Based on the capitalization, that's a very long title for a research paper.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 3, 2015 -> 09:57 AM) He seems to be a guy that is next to trouble a lot as well. There is no question he is inconsistent, but has a ton of talent. He was pretty awesome the last month and a half. If he played to his potential, and his defense at SS isn't so bad advanced stats-wise, he could be a steal. This is one where the Cubs don't appear they could get back anywhere near his potential in a trade, but it also could be addition by subtraction. If they were giving him away, I think I would take a shot. Same -- the contract isn't bad either. It's basically Alexei Ramirez money for a few years. As a buy-low, I'm involved for sure. But as a centerpiece to a Quintana trade? Gtfo. I don't think there's any question he's available this offseason; I'd be surprised if the Padres don't make an aggressive play.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 3, 2015 -> 07:26 AM) Quintana/Adams for....the steal deal of the century (love those 4-6 for 1-2 plans they come up with) mlbtraderumors Cubs get a solid pitcher in quintana and a potential stud in spencer who has a ways to go before making his MLB debut seeing as he’s only like 19 years old (at LEAST 2 years away…. more likely 3-4). Sox get the young position prospects they DESPERATELY need. They get a better SS in Castro over having to keep worse Alexei Ramirez…. regardless what Sox fans say. Castro’s down year this year is not too far off a typical Ramirez year. They also get a HR masher in Vogelbach who has superb plate discipline to play 1B/DH with Abreu. They get a solid hitting catching prospect in Zagunis. They get a gold glove in waiting in Almora who scouts say could hit about .280 or better and develop into a 20 HR hitter…… especially playing in US Cellular. And I’ll throw in pierce johnson as a toss in. Projects to be a 3-4 starter if he pans out. Cough up 1 ML pitcher and a pitching prospect for 4 players who could address almost all the Sox weaknesses on offense within 2 years. It at least gives you positional prospect hope. Looked at the top position prospects the Sox have listed on their website……. it’s pretty ugly. This hypothetical trade is more than fair imo. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/offs...hite-sox-6.html

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 3, 2015 -> 12:22 AM) With all due respect, some of the veteran board members can back me up that I've been a Grandy guy in the past. I back greg in this. He loves every player that Hawk loves.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 04:17 PM) Really...that quick you can sign with new teams? I always remembered a period where you had exclusive rights. Clearly I am remembering wrong. Off-season is going to get started quickly here. Yeah it's only like a five-day window. For most teams, though, they can obviously start the negotiating process as soon as the regular season ends, even if they can't officially close the deal. In that sense, it's "effectively" a month.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 11:30 AM) Let's hire another coach with perhaps some volunteer Little League coaching time who won't be construed by anyone as a threat. And then watch him turn down the job when Robin's gone...adding further insult to injury. At any rate, LaRussa has no loyalty to Ventura, but I'm not sure McEwing would even want the job unless he had a real chance to win because you're just going to be sacrificed eventually before Hahn or KW. Might be like AJ Hinch with the DBacks and now Astros, hired to be fired but then the second job is the charm having learned from the first experience. Probably ends up with the AZ job right before LaRussa retires. We can be like an internship/practicum/training. I think caulfield is posting "day drunk" today.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 01:46 PM) Matt Eddy ‏@MattEddyBA 18m18 minutes ago #DBacks sign C Brett Hayes and #WhiteSox sign 2B Steve Lombardozzi, who both elected free agency this month, to minor league deals. Me: He was okay for a minute, wasn't he? *checks* Me: No he was not. Not okay, and for no minutes. Wait is that... is that a NEGATIVE SEVENTY-ONE wrC+ in 2015? How can you... ? 0 for 11 with one walk, that's how.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 1, 2015 -> 11:54 PM) FFS

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 10:30 AM) The second Buehrle contract, 2008-2010. So the one where he was 28 years old and coming of a 3.1 fWAR season?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 09:31 AM) Apparently you missed the deals for Konerko to return for a farewell tour, Buehrle when it looked like a more questionable bet, Contreras after he was no longer dominant, Beckham this year again...an organization that can always be counted on for sentimentality if nothing else. Why are so many clamoring for AJ, Buehrle or even Uribe to return? Because it's not completely out of the realm of possibility. Lol you're comparing Alexei Ramirez to Paul Konerko and Mark Buerhle? Paul Konerko is a player who got a f***ing STATUE in our ballpark. That is not Alexei Ramirez Mark Buerhle was NOT OFFERED A CONTRACT and went and signed with the Marlins. How is that evidence that the Sox will always bring their stars back? Gordon Beckham was traded for peanuts and then allowed to return on as a utility infielder on a $2m contract. None of that is even remotely close to the same situation we're facing with Alexei. The only thing that binds them together is that they're all related to the White Sox. If Alexei is back, it's going to be because they expect a bounceback from him and don't have a better option.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 08:22 AM) We still owe Alexei for overperforming his original deal (in the eyes of JR). No way he's gone. Dude come on

QUOTE (scs787 @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 01:54 PM) Soxtalk doesn't even complain about the actual hitting coach. Which still befuddles me. Wait, are you serious? Do you remember Greg Walker?

Yay a new scapegoat

I thought Dan Jennings was like 34

QUOTE (raBBit @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 05:42 PM) http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=94182 Hindsight makes Chilihead, greg and I look good in here. What a group. Also, Wite looks dumb. You suck Blake!!!! Except when he said this: QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 03:14 PM) The Sox are in a slump where they can't compete with anybody in the division in head to head games. Did finish ahead of Minnie though. And with Gardenhire gone, that team should be buried for a while. Sorry, greg.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 08:54 AM) Estrada, Gallardo, Fister, Kazmir, Iwakuma, Latos Estrada, Gallardo, Iwakuma, and Kazmir are all set up for big multi-year contracts.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 10:57 AM) I like what you're saying here but I think the assessment of Rodon is way off and saying Fulmer is most likely a reliever is pretty ignorant as well. I... didn't say that. I said we have Fulmer and a bunch of guys that look like relievers. If I thought Fulmer was a reliever, I would have just said "we have a bunch of guys that look like relievers" instead of explicitly differentiating him by name. What's your "correct" assessment of Rodon, then? Pretty easy to throw "ignorant" around without offering anything of value yourself.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 28, 2015 -> 12:01 PM) I agree. Plus, I am so sick about hearing about JR and the loyalty crap, if Buehrle or AJP or Uribe came back and sucked, which father time is making more likely by the hour, it would be in full force. I understand wanting Buerhle back based on his numbers, but 4 cortisone shots, left off the postseason roster, should speak volumes. He also pitched pretty far ahead of his peripherals for most of the year, and cooled down pretty hard down the stretch, both in terms of his results and his health. K/9 rate is down in the 4's and he's pitching more to contact than even before, and had a pretty low BABIP. I get the dream, but I think Buerhle has a lot more red flags than it seems on the surface. He's probably done.

I'm not looking to trade any of them. SP is a strength, but the "depth" is overstated, IMO. Sale is elite, Quintana is a great #2, Rodon is a 3 with big upside, Danks is an overpaid #5 man in our #4 hole, and Johnson is a 4/5 with the upside of a 3. Behind that, we have Fulmer and some prospects that certainly have upside but that look like they are most likely going to be relievers. 1. You cannot assume Fulmer is ready as quickly as Rodon was, and even if you DO, you have to remember that Rodon pitched like a back-end guy most of the season. 2. If you remove Quintana from that #2 slot due to a trade, the whole thing suddenly looks very shaky. I think Rodon will become a strong #2 at some point, but it's very much a question mark if that happens this year -- he still struggle with command frequently and control almost as often, and he needs to learn to trust his fastball. And until he does learn to trust his fastball, we're not going to know if it has enough movement to be a big pitch. If it doesn't his control suddenly has to get really good. He's got work to do. 3. Remove ANY of them for a significant injury -- even Danks -- and you're in trouble quickly. You could argue we need to ADD a starter or two, at least of the "one-year pillow contract" type.

Wow nice.

QUOTE (beautox @ Oct 27, 2015 -> 12:47 PM) Obviously I respectively disagree and i think if you calculate out each deals value along with what each asset's current value is in relation to their club these are realistic trade proposals. In the case of Seattle, Miller shouldn't be playing CF let alone anywhere outside of the middle infield and he isn't going move Cano let alone Marte at this stage so he is an asset Seattle can move. I highly doubt Seattle's new GM empties what little they have in their farm for Lucroy if he could be attainable or goes and spends while likely giving up a pick for Weiters, when Flowers offers similar production for much less cost both in talent and opportunity. I see this as a similar situation as Dustin Ackley. With Miami, Johnson alone is a huge overpay when considering you're taking on Prado whole salary and he has one year remaining. Ozuna had a down year and has spoken out against Loria he will be moved this offseason, not necessarily for pennies on the dollar but his value is tarnished since the whole league knows he will be moved, Now johnson alone doesn't quite get you there thats why adding a near top 100 prospect in Adams goes a long way in addition to giving them Avisail as a stop gap for one of their prospects that also offers some albeit limited upside. In AZ they could use a veteran presence and more innings to break in their young rotation and while they've got a lot of depth around the diamond second base is a glaring need for them, John Danks at 9M is very reasonable for his production. To me it appears the organization has moved on from Micah and prefers Sanchez, so they need to move him before he stagnates if they don't feel that he is part of the core going forward and what little remains of Hawkins should be moved again to a franchise that is capable of developing young hitters. Two mid / back rotation starters and a 27 year old utility player seem fair but again I would like to hear why you think its too in the sox favor. Already posted above about LaRoche, Papelbon but again would like to hear your opinion on it. LaRoches market is incredibly limited, The pirates have a great looking 1B at AAA ready to go in Josh Bell, the only other place i can see him landing is Baltimore if they don't re-sign Davis. RE: Seattle -- Brad Miller is much more valuable than Ackley was/is because Miller is actually hitting petty well for a MI. Yes, Seattle should move him if they don't want to play him at SS (he clearly isn't good in the OF), but they can do better than Tyler Flowers, pretty easily. RE: Miami -- I disagree with the notion that players like Ozuna have less value because the league "knows he'll be moved." That makes sense (theory of leverage) if there's only one bidder, but if there are at least two serious suitors (and there will be much more than two), you create a bidding war where the winning bid approaches the level at which the buying teams value the asset. Unless the Marlins bungle it, they'll be able to get fair value out of Ozuna easily. I think we overrate the value of Adams and probably underrate the value of a solid short-term commodity like Prado. RE: Arizona -- I just don't think that's enough value for those guys. Danks at $9 might be "about right," but that's not enough to actually give him surplus value -- less value than a league minimum UT guy like Gosselin. I don't think the industry values Micah Johnson as high as the White Sox have, and last year did nothing to help that case. I think Shipley is the best prospect from either side there, and controllable LHP (even if it's probably a high-leverage reliever) is probably worth Hawkins alone right now. RE: Washington -- LaRoche as a backup is a waste of a roster spot, as they have younger, cheaper, more athletic mediocre 1b prospect types (Moore/Robinson) that can cover the corner OF spots if they need. Yes, they'll have all kinds of trouble moving Papelbon, but they might as well release him. Or, at least find a dead contract in a position where they need help, so a shot in the dark might be of some benefit.

Are we talking about the same Brad Miller? The 105 wRC+ middle infielder?