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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 03:30 PM) Yes, but 2 years vs. 2 years and you have to give up something for Weiters. Haven't you constantly said they Sox aren't going to win anything the next 2 years? So why give up good players for a guy who will be gone in 2 years? The Sox probably won't win anything in two years, but what I have constantly said is that I believe the way to rebuild is in gradual chunks rather than tank-tank-tank-go nuts in free agency. So I am in support of any acquisition that the White Sox make that will retain its value over several years, therefore serving as a foundation. Secondly, Weiters is a 2.5-3.5 WAR player -- large market teams can afford those players, especially when the things they do well aren't the things that are valued most highly by the free agent market, i.e. batting average, homers, RBI. If Weiters remains what he is now or bounces back to his last couple years, the Sox will absolutely be able to afford him when he becomes a free agent. If he breaks out and turns into a superstar, then great. Maybe we can't afford him, or maybe we can, but maybe he also plays so well it pushes our window up.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 11:50 AM) Extension and Boras don't go together. Considering you keep saying signing someone like AJ for a year or two makes zero sense, how does it make sense to give up players for basically the same concept with Weiters? Um, because AJ is 36, and Weiters is 27...

I'd make that deal. Weiters just had a down year and was still 2.4 fWAR. Flowers just threw -0.1 at us. If Weiters is good, the White Sox can extend him and solve the catcher conundrum for years to come.

QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 08:46 AM) Question for all - it has been mentioned that we'll call the BoSox about Victorino. Would you prefer to sign Granderson for something like 4/$40M or trade something valuable for Victorino? What? Neither.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 04:58 PM) f*** this thread. haha, amen to that

I'd safely bet that Uribe is a better defender than Gillaspie.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 04:43 PM) That list is also without Zapata. I'm okay with that. He's very young and no one knows very much about him at all.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 12:33 PM) If he was absolutely worth that much, I have a feeling the Red Sox would have at least made him a QO. Not necessarily. It's speculated they want McCann pretty badly. The risk of Salta accepting the QO could have thrown the whole plan out the window.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 11:38 AM) I think this because he had 79 walks, 34 homers, and 189 K's last year on a god awful team that offered him absolutely zero protection in the lineup. Is he overpaid? Absolutely. Is he much worse than he was when he was younger? Yes. LH power is still important though. Adam Dunn has never been the perfect player and he is way past stretching the value of a true 3 outcome guy's usefulness. But to just dismiss the possibility is crazy. There aren't many guys in baseball that have the chance to hit 40 homers next year. He's one of them. I'm sorry, I was referring to the idea that he'd play better on a different team where he wasn't expected to be a primary source of production.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 11:16 AM) Weiters has become available per Rosenthal. Has 2 years left and his agent is Boras? Do/Should Sox go after him? If they think they could extend him if things go well, I would support this. Weiters is overrated, but is an above average catcher and can be expected to be one for years to come.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 11:09 AM) That's not entirely true. If Dunn were in Texas or on the Yankees next year as a #6 hitter, I bet he would walk 80-100 times, hit between 34-40 bombs, and K a ton of times. How is that not worth it? The problem is, Dunn shouldn't be a team's best hitter or primary run producer. What he brings is still very valuable, however. He can still change a baseball game in one swing. Why do you think this?

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 09:05 AM) I am saying they hold about equal value to me. Santiago is younger, they both had break out seasons this year, but Castro is now in his arb years. I would do a Santiago for Castro swap, just not sure how much else I would give up to facilitate a deal. Maybe Petricka and Snodgress, but not high ceiling prospects. Gotcha. Yeah more years of team control should make a difference.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 10:31 AM) If the Sox think that Konerko's 2013 was due to an injury that they don't believe will bother him in 14, I am OK with it. Again, he isn't going to be a starter (I am assuming Dunn will be back), and he isn't blocking anyone. Then again, seeing what contracts are already being talked about, maybe Dunn becomes a tradable commodity again? I think Dunn could be moved with most of his contract, I just don't think we will get anything useful back. And, given Hahn's recent assertion that he seeks left-handed offense (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/white-sox-targeting-lefty-bats-have-received-calls-on-pitchers.html), I think it's extremely unlikely that he'd dump Dunn simply to save money or open a roster spot.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 10:23 AM) If you look at the 2012 White Sox, no non regular had as many as 170 plate appearances. It's really not a waste of a roster spot. There are better fits, and Paulie knows this. I'm thinking if he decides to come back, he's feeling well and thinks he can still play at a high level. I don't think he cares to embarrass himself and he has plenty of money. I read an article a few years ago where his dad said he still pulls money out of an ATM $20 at a time. From the interview he gave a month or so ago, it sounded to me that it's coming down to him being sure he wants to commit to being done. Seems like he feels like he has lots of time to be retired, but not lots of time to play, and knows that once he does it, he's closing the book forever. So he's trying to decide if he shouldn't squeeze as much more playing in as he can.

Here's an interesting follow up to that list, FWIW: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/steamer-pro...-sox-prospects/ Steamer projections for ML performance for some of the closest prospects. Surprised that EJ doesn't project better, but I think that's about right for Semien -- roughly a league average player.

The fact that Leury can play both OF/IF and that Leesman can be a spot starter/mop-up/LOOGY in one allows the Sox to pull off Konerko's roster spot with a 5 man bench. It isn't ideal, but really it'll just mean more PT for those two bench guys, which probably isn't a bad thing for a developing team. It would mean Semien in AAA as the roster is constructed today, which is also fine with me. I used to be really uncomfortable with this, but the more I think about it, the more I think it isn't the end of the world either way.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Nov 12, 2013 -> 05:09 PM) I think that's one too many, right? If they were to bring Konerko back, either Kepp is dealt or Danks is AAA unless I'm counting wrong. Don't they usually go with 3 lefties/3 righties in the pen?

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Nov 12, 2013 -> 04:57 PM) Semien was never going to be on the bench. He'll either start in AAA or start for the Sox if Gillaspie or Ramirez or Beckham were dealt. So 2014 bench pending a Konerko return is probably: CA Phegley OF Danks IF/OF Garcia 1B Konerko IF Keppinger

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 12, 2013 -> 04:44 PM) Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN 1h #WhiteSox have spoken to Paul Konerko. Sounds as if there's a spot open for him if he wants it. But he hasnt indicated his plans. Scott Merkin ‏@scottmerkin 41m I always believed if Konerko wanted to return for '14, there would be a spot for him with the White Sox--as there should be. I have made my thoughts on this clear. Really stupid decision in my opinion. I hope Reinsdorf is behind this move because it would make me question Rick Hahn's judgment. Would definitely be a major roster crunch to have Abreu/Dunn/Konerko all at once. Maybe they feel like we have so many versatile bench guys that they can pull it off. This could be a big year for Jordan Danks, but it means there's really no room for both Semien and L. Garcia, and I'g guess Semien is the odd man out there since Garcia can play OF -- unless we dump Keppinger.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Nov 12, 2013 -> 04:16 PM) Rather have Carlos Ruiz than salty Why on Earth?

QUOTE (Baron @ Nov 12, 2013 -> 04:10 PM) For a major Free Agent signing? I wouldnt expect a 90 million signing like Choo. It all depends on what he feels is major which is why its a broad statement. Right. So was SS2k5's reference to a $10m/yr 36 year old catcher as a non-option something that wouldn't fall under what Hahn said?

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Nov 12, 2013 -> 04:09 PM) Sure hope not, he said CF. Viciedo and CF don't go together Yeah, I'm assuming that was a typo

QUOTE (Baron @ Nov 12, 2013 -> 04:05 PM) You know how silly that sounds and how much people can read into that? Its a broad statement and as a general manager you never fully give away what your doing this offseason. I don't know, in the interview it sounded like he was trying to set expectations so that fans wouldn't be disappointed. Plus, it makes sense. He could be lying, I guess, but I wouldn't consider it safe to assume the opposite. There doesn't appear to be any reason to question the assertion.

QUOTE (Baron @ Nov 12, 2013 -> 03:54 PM) We arent? Who said? I have a feeling that nobody actually said this and its just people trying to add up how much money we have to spend on a guesstimated figure. No there was an interview where he said that. I don't think he meant LITERALLY no free agents, but he implied that the major ones, where there would be a bidding war would likely be off limits.

QUOTE (Baron @ Nov 12, 2013 -> 03:57 PM) Rick Hahn said we arent going to sign any free agents....? Yeah he said that Abreu would most likely be our only big free agent signing and that he'd be looking to leverage the trade market for the rest of the offseason.