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QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 04:47 PM) Although I am one of the strongest advocates of a left handed hitting addition to the lineup, I don't see the need for a left handed hitting catcher. Any solid defensive back stop, who can get on base at a respectable rate would be fine. It's in the middle of the order that this team needs that left handed presence I think it's safe to say that you are THE strongest advocate for a left-handed hitting (middle of the order) addition to the lineup

QUOTE (ron883 @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 04:07 PM) so in 4 years it will be 18m? 20m in 6 years? no, dont think so. these guys wont be making that kind of cash. It's the average of the top 100 highest paid players. It will absolutely go up every year pending some financial cataclysm within the sport. Will it go up that fast? Who knows.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 03:37 PM) Myth. There you have it.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 01:22 PM) Yeah, Jason Parks (BP) referred to his fastball as a "mother****er" pitch.

These BP write-ups, IMO, are easily the best lists out there and are totally worth the 3 dollars or whatever you pay for monthly access, even if you just sign-up during prospect season.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 08:13 AM) DHing Pierzynski, who is an incredily overrated and mediocre hitter, is an incredibly poor idea. People need to stop thinking about AJ. He's gone. This

QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 11:06 PM) Not straight up. Maybe a package of something like Jaso, Doolittle(LH reliever), and a hitting prospect Steverson likes. I loves me some Jaso, but he's a platoon player, I'd hate trading Hector for a platoon player. Catcher is the one place where you can really deal with a lefty platoon player -- because they need to rest so much anyway, it works out.

Isn't he really bad defensively?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 06:08 PM) No, the argument is he has stated the White Sox shouldn't acquire pieces that are short term solutions. Weiters is repped by Boras. You can say maybe this maybe that, but reality is he would be a short term solution who would cost players who otherwise may be part of the long term solution or used to acquire long term solutions. And Scott Boras certainly is a good reason to think Weiters would be 2 and out. I don't think Boras automatically makes it a short term solution. Boras gets elite guys overpaid, but Weiters just isn't an elite guy. We may have never signed a Boras FA, but we also never signed a contract over $60m, or a contract over 5 years... until we just did. I don't think it's Boras that is the problem as much as it has just never been our style to be into the elite free agent game. I don't think Weiters will be up there, Boras or not. But if I believed that Boras makes it so there's no chance he doesn't leave in two years, then I'd agree with you that we shouldn't get him. I want to get under the impression that he can become a long-term solution if we want him to be.

QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 04:15 PM) I kind of like this plan. Trade Dunn. I don't want to watch him play baseball for my favorite team anymore. You can give me all the WAR's and OPS's you want. Dunn makes me like the Sox a little less. That is hard to do. It takes a special kind of dislike to prefer your team gets worse for the sake of getting rid of a player.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 04:10 PM) Except the difference is that Stanton will actually command a gigantic contract, Wieters won't. I don't know why people think we could sign Brian McCann for $15M a year, yet Wieters we could not afford to bring back. Exactly. Unless Weiters gets a lot better, he's not going to command more than $12-15m per year. If we want to keep that, we can.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 03:30 PM) Yes, but 2 years vs. 2 years and you have to give up something for Weiters. Haven't you constantly said they Sox aren't going to win anything the next 2 years? So why give up good players for a guy who will be gone in 2 years? The Sox probably won't win anything in two years, but what I have constantly said is that I believe the way to rebuild is in gradual chunks rather than tank-tank-tank-go nuts in free agency. So I am in support of any acquisition that the White Sox make that will retain its value over several years, therefore serving as a foundation. Secondly, Weiters is a 2.5-3.5 WAR player -- large market teams can afford those players, especially when the things they do well aren't the things that are valued most highly by the free agent market, i.e. batting average, homers, RBI. If Weiters remains what he is now or bounces back to his last couple years, the Sox will absolutely be able to afford him when he becomes a free agent. If he breaks out and turns into a superstar, then great. Maybe we can't afford him, or maybe we can, but maybe he also plays so well it pushes our window up.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 11:50 AM) Extension and Boras don't go together. Considering you keep saying signing someone like AJ for a year or two makes zero sense, how does it make sense to give up players for basically the same concept with Weiters? Um, because AJ is 36, and Weiters is 27...

I'd make that deal. Weiters just had a down year and was still 2.4 fWAR. Flowers just threw -0.1 at us. If Weiters is good, the White Sox can extend him and solve the catcher conundrum for years to come.

QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 08:46 AM) Question for all - it has been mentioned that we'll call the BoSox about Victorino. Would you prefer to sign Granderson for something like 4/$40M or trade something valuable for Victorino? What? Neither.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 04:58 PM) f*** this thread. haha, amen to that

I'd safely bet that Uribe is a better defender than Gillaspie.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 04:43 PM) That list is also without Zapata. I'm okay with that. He's very young and no one knows very much about him at all.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 12:33 PM) If he was absolutely worth that much, I have a feeling the Red Sox would have at least made him a QO. Not necessarily. It's speculated they want McCann pretty badly. The risk of Salta accepting the QO could have thrown the whole plan out the window.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 11:38 AM) I think this because he had 79 walks, 34 homers, and 189 K's last year on a god awful team that offered him absolutely zero protection in the lineup. Is he overpaid? Absolutely. Is he much worse than he was when he was younger? Yes. LH power is still important though. Adam Dunn has never been the perfect player and he is way past stretching the value of a true 3 outcome guy's usefulness. But to just dismiss the possibility is crazy. There aren't many guys in baseball that have the chance to hit 40 homers next year. He's one of them. I'm sorry, I was referring to the idea that he'd play better on a different team where he wasn't expected to be a primary source of production.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 11:16 AM) Weiters has become available per Rosenthal. Has 2 years left and his agent is Boras? Do/Should Sox go after him? If they think they could extend him if things go well, I would support this. Weiters is overrated, but is an above average catcher and can be expected to be one for years to come.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 11:09 AM) That's not entirely true. If Dunn were in Texas or on the Yankees next year as a #6 hitter, I bet he would walk 80-100 times, hit between 34-40 bombs, and K a ton of times. How is that not worth it? The problem is, Dunn shouldn't be a team's best hitter or primary run producer. What he brings is still very valuable, however. He can still change a baseball game in one swing. Why do you think this?

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 09:05 AM) I am saying they hold about equal value to me. Santiago is younger, they both had break out seasons this year, but Castro is now in his arb years. I would do a Santiago for Castro swap, just not sure how much else I would give up to facilitate a deal. Maybe Petricka and Snodgress, but not high ceiling prospects. Gotcha. Yeah more years of team control should make a difference.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 10:31 AM) If the Sox think that Konerko's 2013 was due to an injury that they don't believe will bother him in 14, I am OK with it. Again, he isn't going to be a starter (I am assuming Dunn will be back), and he isn't blocking anyone. Then again, seeing what contracts are already being talked about, maybe Dunn becomes a tradable commodity again? I think Dunn could be moved with most of his contract, I just don't think we will get anything useful back. And, given Hahn's recent assertion that he seeks left-handed offense (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/white-sox-targeting-lefty-bats-have-received-calls-on-pitchers.html), I think it's extremely unlikely that he'd dump Dunn simply to save money or open a roster spot.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 13, 2013 -> 10:23 AM) If you look at the 2012 White Sox, no non regular had as many as 170 plate appearances. It's really not a waste of a roster spot. There are better fits, and Paulie knows this. I'm thinking if he decides to come back, he's feeling well and thinks he can still play at a high level. I don't think he cares to embarrass himself and he has plenty of money. I read an article a few years ago where his dad said he still pulls money out of an ATM $20 at a time. From the interview he gave a month or so ago, it sounded to me that it's coming down to him being sure he wants to commit to being done. Seems like he feels like he has lots of time to be retired, but not lots of time to play, and knows that once he does it, he's closing the book forever. So he's trying to decide if he shouldn't squeeze as much more playing in as he can.