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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 01:39 PM) Then how do you explain Francisco Liriano being the ace of the 2nd best team in MLB (by 1/2 game)? He's always had frontline stuff, his problems have always been health and inconsistency. It's not surprising that he has gone on a tear like this, he's done it before (in the AL Central)

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 01:33 PM) Then neither is Peavy. Because I would take his potential, growing stamina/endurance and multiple out pitch arsenal over Jake Peavy any day of the week, if it was finding a starting pitcher to build the rotation around (after Sale) in 2015/16. Put Quintana and Santiago in the NL West or NL Central and they'd nearly be Cy Young candidates. Uh, you are aware that the NL Central is arguably the strongest division currently, and that the AL Central is arguably the weakest, right?

Jim Parque?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 11:39 AM) I figure doing what can be done to ease the tension is the best thing to do right now. We might find out in the next hour that Peavy has been traded, or we could go another 27 and a half hours and find out that he wasn't traded at all. Beating yourself up over it is just a waste of time at this point You're right, and I'm definitely stressing out a bit.

Passan suggesting Norris to the Pirates, and that Glasnow might be in play. It would be super lame if the Sox could have gotten Glasnow if they'd have chipped in money.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 11:29 AM) Well that's because he's overhyped by the media, don't listen to that drivel. He has Shane Spencer or Gypford Gomfrey written all over him. I am interested in Marvin though. I know the Sox don't have a huge need for pitching, but he's got a freakin laser. The fact that we could probably continue this for at least 4 more exchanges and no one would complain says a lot about how little information exists in this thread

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 11:25 AM) I think that Jake Peavy is going to be traded to the Jupiter Martians today No way they can handle the salary. Plus, outside of XXqalctz, I'm not enamored with any of their position players.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 11:19 AM) I don't think that is correct. Too many times in the past people on this board and have said we received too llittle in trades. Just because a trade can be made doesn't mean it's a god one. The team sucks and clearly needs to sell. It is the right course of action given the information we have. While we certainly might be upset later at the execution, it isn't unreasonable to hope for the FO to take the right course of action.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 11:12 AM) I dont get why people are just errantly hoping for a trade You have to hear what the trade is and then decide if you like it or not. That doesn't mean you wouldn't rather give Hahn the benefit of the doubt than to stand pat and let the best players on the third worst team in baseball rot instead of bring future value back.

I'm sure they DO covet Sale. I imagine the best offer would be Bundy (TJ), Gausman, Schoop, two lesser guys. I wouldn't take that deal. It would have to include Machado, and the Orioles wouldn't move Machado.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:31 AM) I miss Kotsay, at least with that guy you always knew he was giving it his all, true competitor! Fixed!

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:13 AM) Haha I am going to make you bump this so many times now QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:18 AM) I still do not know how this offense is so woefully bad. I want to say it's just that we don't get on base enough, but really, we also don;t hit for enough power. So we don't get enough baserunners AND we don't knock any baserunners in. It's really downright filthy.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:00 AM) True True, but Edwards is rising up the charts. The Cubs are banking on Olt and Grimm becoming immediate players on their big league team. I don't think either are that great. The Rangers have been waiting on Olt for what seems like forever. Are the Sox looking for the same or are they willing to bring in kids that will need another year or two of seasoning. I think Peavy is better than Garza, but he is also injury prone so their values may actually be similar. I suspect the Sox will get 3-4 prospect for Peavy with 2 of them being low minors players with good 'tools' and a nice ceiling (but could also bust) and a couple other 'solid' prospects. I don't think we get anyone's top 1 or 2 prospecct. True, Edwards would definitely be a top 5 now.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:00 AM) Cue bump Done!

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:57 AM) Yeah, if he isn't traded, he is just going to start tomorrow. No point in making him go out and try to pitch with everything he undoubtedly has on his mind right now. He'd pitch absolutely terribly, and then if a trade is consummated in the 4th inning, the Sox don't have to awkwardly pull him. Plus, I mean really, if the Sox keep him, they'll have such a good pitching staff next year, and with a pitching staff like that they can definitely compete next year QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:00 AM) Cue bump

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:49 AM) The Cubs got the Rangers #2, #5, and #14 (and the #14 guy may end up being the best of the 3) prospects in that trade. Now I'll admit a couple are a bit older for prospect status, but if the Sox could put two Top 5 specs out of a good organization and another just outside the top 10 I'd take it. Keep in mind that Olt's stock dropped between pre-season rankings and now. He wouldn't be #2 anymore.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:40 AM) I disagree. Unless we're really, really close on something (medicals), I'd start him. I think we give up some leverage by holding him out. Starting him sends a message to other teams that we're willing to move on with him in our rotation if we don't get solid offers. Hahn's first sign of weakness, IMHO. I don't know. I think there's some give and take. If he senses that he's actually made a bunch of teams look elsewhere, it might make sense to send a signal that he's committed to moving him. Plus, at some point you have to do what's fair to Peavy. Pretty jacked up to get him going through his whole routine when you never planned on having him pitch.

I'm just going to bump this thread every time I hear a media person or a Soxtalk poster mention that if we keep our pitching staff together, we have a chance to compete next year.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:28 AM) And we shall call him Carlos. And he can be the batboy and he can dance with Southpaw

Or some hilarious motherf***er has been sitting on a fake Andre Rienzo Twitter account just SALIVATING for this moment, lol.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 06:32 PM) Not a big fan of that one I love Rubby, but I really don't want Middlebrooks

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 06:29 PM) Could the Sox have planted the Rienzo tweet to make teams think a deal is imminent as a leverage tool? That would be dirty, but fun. Well, I guess he could replace Crain the bullpen if Peavy doesn't move.

Rienzo called up? People saying this on Twitter.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:29 PM) ESPN's Buster Olney was talking up his sleeve last night. Olney was just saying they seemed the most motivated -- the fact that they're out doesn't mean they aren't motivated, could just mean Hahn won't budge on Addison Russell.

To me, the argument for taking on Bundy is that you figure a typical pitching prospect has a substantially LESS than 80% chance to be above average at the ML level. If you believe that a healthy Bundy has a much better chance than most -- and considering how polished and close to the Majors we was before his injury, I think that's at least a reasonable argument -- then you can consider the the 20% chance that he doesn't regain his stuff part of the risk that would normally be assigned to a less elite pitching prospect. In other words, and 80% chance that Bundy is Bundy after the surgery might be much better odds than that of a guy like, say Ranaudo remaining healthy and developing into what Bundy already is.