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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 11:25 AM) I think that Jake Peavy is going to be traded to the Jupiter Martians today No way they can handle the salary. Plus, outside of XXqalctz, I'm not enamored with any of their position players.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 11:19 AM) I don't think that is correct. Too many times in the past people on this board and have said we received too llittle in trades. Just because a trade can be made doesn't mean it's a god one. The team sucks and clearly needs to sell. It is the right course of action given the information we have. While we certainly might be upset later at the execution, it isn't unreasonable to hope for the FO to take the right course of action.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 11:12 AM) I dont get why people are just errantly hoping for a trade You have to hear what the trade is and then decide if you like it or not. That doesn't mean you wouldn't rather give Hahn the benefit of the doubt than to stand pat and let the best players on the third worst team in baseball rot instead of bring future value back.

I'm sure they DO covet Sale. I imagine the best offer would be Bundy (TJ), Gausman, Schoop, two lesser guys. I wouldn't take that deal. It would have to include Machado, and the Orioles wouldn't move Machado.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:31 AM) I miss Kotsay, at least with that guy you always knew he was giving it his all, true competitor! Fixed!

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:13 AM) Haha I am going to make you bump this so many times now QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:18 AM) I still do not know how this offense is so woefully bad. I want to say it's just that we don't get on base enough, but really, we also don;t hit for enough power. So we don't get enough baserunners AND we don't knock any baserunners in. It's really downright filthy.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:00 AM) True True, but Edwards is rising up the charts. The Cubs are banking on Olt and Grimm becoming immediate players on their big league team. I don't think either are that great. The Rangers have been waiting on Olt for what seems like forever. Are the Sox looking for the same or are they willing to bring in kids that will need another year or two of seasoning. I think Peavy is better than Garza, but he is also injury prone so their values may actually be similar. I suspect the Sox will get 3-4 prospect for Peavy with 2 of them being low minors players with good 'tools' and a nice ceiling (but could also bust) and a couple other 'solid' prospects. I don't think we get anyone's top 1 or 2 prospecct. True, Edwards would definitely be a top 5 now.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:00 AM) Cue bump Done!

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:57 AM) Yeah, if he isn't traded, he is just going to start tomorrow. No point in making him go out and try to pitch with everything he undoubtedly has on his mind right now. He'd pitch absolutely terribly, and then if a trade is consummated in the 4th inning, the Sox don't have to awkwardly pull him. Plus, I mean really, if the Sox keep him, they'll have such a good pitching staff next year, and with a pitching staff like that they can definitely compete next year QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:00 AM) Cue bump

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:49 AM) The Cubs got the Rangers #2, #5, and #14 (and the #14 guy may end up being the best of the 3) prospects in that trade. Now I'll admit a couple are a bit older for prospect status, but if the Sox could put two Top 5 specs out of a good organization and another just outside the top 10 I'd take it. Keep in mind that Olt's stock dropped between pre-season rankings and now. He wouldn't be #2 anymore.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:40 AM) I disagree. Unless we're really, really close on something (medicals), I'd start him. I think we give up some leverage by holding him out. Starting him sends a message to other teams that we're willing to move on with him in our rotation if we don't get solid offers. Hahn's first sign of weakness, IMHO. I don't know. I think there's some give and take. If he senses that he's actually made a bunch of teams look elsewhere, it might make sense to send a signal that he's committed to moving him. Plus, at some point you have to do what's fair to Peavy. Pretty jacked up to get him going through his whole routine when you never planned on having him pitch.

I'm just going to bump this thread every time I hear a media person or a Soxtalk poster mention that if we keep our pitching staff together, we have a chance to compete next year.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:28 AM) And we shall call him Carlos. And he can be the batboy and he can dance with Southpaw

Or some hilarious motherf***er has been sitting on a fake Andre Rienzo Twitter account just SALIVATING for this moment, lol.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 06:32 PM) Not a big fan of that one I love Rubby, but I really don't want Middlebrooks

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 06:29 PM) Could the Sox have planted the Rienzo tweet to make teams think a deal is imminent as a leverage tool? That would be dirty, but fun. Well, I guess he could replace Crain the bullpen if Peavy doesn't move.

Rienzo called up? People saying this on Twitter.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 05:29 PM) ESPN's Buster Olney was talking up his sleeve last night. Olney was just saying they seemed the most motivated -- the fact that they're out doesn't mean they aren't motivated, could just mean Hahn won't budge on Addison Russell.

To me, the argument for taking on Bundy is that you figure a typical pitching prospect has a substantially LESS than 80% chance to be above average at the ML level. If you believe that a healthy Bundy has a much better chance than most -- and considering how polished and close to the Majors we was before his injury, I think that's at least a reasonable argument -- then you can consider the the 20% chance that he doesn't regain his stuff part of the risk that would normally be assigned to a less elite pitching prospect. In other words, and 80% chance that Bundy is Bundy after the surgery might be much better odds than that of a guy like, say Ranaudo remaining healthy and developing into what Bundy already is.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 03:38 PM) I was just reading an Orioles forum and of course, they are suggesting they might trade Bundy for Sale, but never for Peavy. One of the responses was "I'd be shocked if Sale makes it to his arb years without suffering major injury." Uhhh.... Lol.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 02:17 PM) Peavy to Boston for Middlebrooks, Brentz, Ranaudo Ramirez, Lidstrom, + to St.Louis for Adams Rios to Pittsburgh for Kingham, Barret Barnes Crain to TB for ??? I'd love that return on Rios at this point. But if Peavy goes for Middlebrooks, I'm going to have to slice a pound of flesh off of my body like in the movie Se7en just to give myself something more worthy to cry about.

Peavy and the relievers go. Rios and Ramirez stay.

It's going to be so *boring when the news breaks that says: "Rays acquire RP Jesse Crain for PTBNL"

Bogaerts isn't moving. Honestly, I'd be happy with any deal with Boston that includes Cecchini. If you can get one of their pitchers too, that's great, but Cechinni + a couple org players seems like a reasonable deal for both sides. EDIT: And yes, NO MIDDLEBROOKS

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 09:18 AM) If Bundy is the centerpiece of a Peavy deal, then Rick Hahn failed miserably. I don't care how talented Bundy is. You don't give up the top pitcher on the market for a guy who just had major surgery. The Sox aren't trading Paul Malholm here. Not everybody recovers well from Tommy John either. That's a LOT of upside though...