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QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 12:36 PM) Also had horrible luck with injuries. Well their depth was sad and their hitting was terrible. Heyward was the only power/reliable offensive player they had on the team entering the playoffs.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 12:34 PM) They'll sign Alex Gordon now and a pitcher and still win 90 games. I dont think they want to win 90 games and then get kicked right out of the playoffs. They were incredibly weak entering the playoffs.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 12:30 PM) It amazes me the value Soler seems to have around the league. He isn't much of an upgrade from Avi, and supposedly can't hit breaking pitches at all. Both Baez and Soler really shouldnt garner any interest in front of the line starter packages. But somehow they do.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 12:23 PM) And the only thing we've done is sign 2 catchers and Brett Lawrie. We're doomed. Next year is going to be so bad. We're all gonna die. Where did I say any of that? I was alluding to the 3 teams in the running for him as I said the previous day.

Cardinals really crapped the bed...they could not lose him.

Staying off Twitter for a little while This was worst case scenario

Sounds like he may be going to the Cubs

Those teams dont give a crap if he hits home runs. That's just an added bonus that he can(in the playoffs he showed some pop). Why do they like him besides his Elite defense?

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 09:57 PM) I would much rather go with Saladino over signing Desmond who has been trending downward for a few years. Funny thing though is his defense has remained consistent(positive play actually). So that's a little interesting.

Ian Desmond is going to make way more money than that

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 01:48 PM) Is this Scioscias last last last chance to get it right? I would imagine so. Great post Kalapse. Bill James in his handbook always raved about his runs saved capability. I think last year and the year before that he saved something like 23 runs.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 05:48 PM) and again i will say i didn't think that is all true. then again i do know nothing of advance metrics. btw, is that the only source that tell these things. I use them for their defense mostly. But Baseball Reference has those too. Or if you want to read more into it Bill James comes out with a book every year which updates defense starts. It gives you runs saved and interesting bullpen statistics.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 05:42 PM) really, i didn't think that was true. ... it is still was saying he played very good rf. I think Fangraphs had him as one of the worse defensive players in MLB last year...atleast that's what I can recall from that post about Zobrist yesterday

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 01:29 PM) Wow. He officially has no value left, and the Sox have given up on him. Hahn sounded pretty defeated when talking about him a few days ago.

Angels a finalist as well. Their division is wide open. They might as well go for it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 01:16 PM) Watch them trade Baez and Soler for Ross or Carrasco Ross I think if they get Heyward makes sense

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 01:09 PM) Davis makes Cardinals better than if they keep Heyward in my opinion. They need power badly. Offensively yes. Defensively they lose quite a bit.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 01:05 PM) Cubs beat writers. Just saw something from Julie Di-whatever the hell her last name is. She has an interesting reputation after the Kane saga. Always had good interactions with her. But that was a mess.

QUOTE (Rooftop Shots @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 12:54 PM) That was on my mind as well. A big name, big money who is NOT a top of the line elite franchise player.......and who is a career 260+ hitter who has good defense? That's insane. At least Crawford was batting 300 when he signed his contract and had base stealing upsides. Sorry but that's an awful reason to be down on him. Plus there are some half truths on there.

Cubs landing him would suck. He's my favorite player in the league. But that move should put them at world series favorites. Cardinals really can't afford to lose him.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 12:20 PM) FWIW, Heyward screams Carl Crawford 2.0 to me You predicting injury ?

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:09 PM) has nightengale has any feelings on the sox next move?? He didnt list us for Upton which was interesting. He had Baltimore getting him.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 10:49 PM) I think it's almost a guaranteed that Hayward lands with the Cubs or Cards... More likely the Cubs at this point. Nightengale says he thinks it's a bluff. He doesnt think they are going to spend the 10 years plus the 200 mill for Heyward.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 10:38 PM) Honestly, I'd do it. With a 3/4 year opt-out. I think any deal involving Heyward will almost certainly have a player option

QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 10:31 PM) Since this thread is about Lawrie in the first place who's #17 on the list? Read what Fathom and I wrote. Get back to me once your finished. Plus bookmark that site. Maybe do a review of advanced statistics.