Flash Tizzle

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 06:02 PM) This guy is now tied to you. He needs to be in your sig, since we finally have a guy you like. Good point. Although I'm not the only one..... I'm sure he'll pitch into oblivion now. yayayayayayayay

Time to update the draft board. If it were up to me he may have been selected in the first round. I love this pick. Good value considering many were appointing him a potential late round selection. This instantly heightens my appreciation for the draft....a little bit. This is what you need to draft in a pitcher. Even if he never amounts to much, Griffith is a pitcher with projectability and a quality arsenal.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? NEVIN GRIFFITH!

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 05:31 PM) I love you. Love your man suit. Anyone else expect Texas to come out from under us again and select Griffith?

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 05:23 PM) I know, I just like teasing him. you son of a b****

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 05:19 PM) Is Griffith still available? Yes, but there are still 25 slots until our second round selection. I wouldn't mind if we selected Tanner Robbles, Julian Sampson, Nevin Griffith. Hopefully one of them will be available.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 05:13 PM) They're the kind that don't go to the game an watch the actual play. Stats sheets tell everything you need to know about the guy. I haven't actually heard your opinion on our selection. Or, if you've actually posted anything, I missed it. Do you feel the choice was right? Don't you believe the risk would have been acceptable at 25 for a pitcher of Porcello's potential? I've commented earlier I'm not entirely upset with the selection. I've been complaining about high ceiling pitchers, and we found one. The problem is, one with an even higher ceiling and more polish all-around was available. Pay him 8 million. Judging by this team's performance this year early in the year, the Sox won't be competing next seaoson. Such a high amount of money is worth the risk for 2008 and beyond.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 05:05 PM) You know what, if Porcello was off the board or announced that he was going to go to college, I wouldn't be so opposed to the pick. But passing on Porcello makes me hate Poreda. It'd be different if Porcello was off the board. If it was between Smoker, Griffith (who at #64 has yet to be picked) and Poreda, I wouldn 't have a problem. All have their share of strengths and defenciencies. But they passed on RICK PORCELLO. The consensus #2 overall. I don't even care about other teams and their reasons for passing him up. I'm concerned with this team, their position in the American League central, and their lack of projectable starting pitchers to match up with others within the division. We had an opportunity and blew it, for as I'm concerned. Although, if you're like me, the high expectations will Poreda will have already begun. Ace or #2 are the two options for him. If you're willing to pass up someone with similar stature in Porcello, then I can only assume high expectations are on Poreda. Those secondary pitchers better be developed quickly.

QUOTE(AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 04:04 PM) Aaron Poreda-S- White Sox Jun. 7 - 4:28 pm et White Sox selected University of San Francisco LHP Aaron Poreda with the 25th pick in the 2007 draft. Poreda is a big left-hander capable of throwing 95 mph. He lacks quality secondary stuff at the moment, but he has more upside than Lance Broadway or Kyle McCulloch, the college pitchers the White Sox took in the first round the previous two years. That's about an exact description of what I gave the pick. Although these velocity readings better be consistent 95+mph and not 91-93 with touching 95. I don't want to see a Nick Masset scenario where magically advertised velocity disappears. If Porcello weren't available with Detroit picking two below us it'd be easier to stomach. But I just can't believe we overlooked him. Who is this organization to overlook talented pitchers? I don't care if it was for 8 million. Give him 15 million for all I care. The minor league system desperately needs talented pitchers to compete with those within the division. And unfortunately now with Porcello at Detroit their jobs become that much more difficult. Anything less than a #1 or #2 status for Poreda is a failure in my mind. He better start developing secondary pitches quickly.

Jackson off the board at 45.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 04:34 PM) I should keep a stat track in the minors of Poreda and Porcello (if he does sign) just to keep everyone happy. Good idea.

I notice my guy Nevin Griffith remains. As do Greg Peavey (Boras client), Julian Sampson, Tanner Robbles. We're on selection 44, though. With double that remaining until we're up.

QUOTE(danman31 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 04:22 PM) Keyword was. It sounds like he fixed his delivery, thus the improved velocity. Also, Borbon just went off the board at 35 to Texas. Where are you following the picks?

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 04:05 PM) I'm not going to get excited about Boras clients anymore. Guys like that are available to us every year, and we never take them. It's f***ing stupid, but the Sox never take them. If Porcello is pitching well for Detroit alongside Miller and Verlander, it's Williams responsibility to find pitchers to match them. Whether from international scouting, trades, or devoting money to picks who slip in the draft. He better do it, because I'm not any more confident about our future now than several hours ago. The immense expectations for Poreda start right now for me. If Williams is willing to pass up Porcello at #25 knowing a competitor rests two spots below, he better be confident.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 03:50 PM) We always hear the excuse about how the Sox never have a high pick because of their good record over the last decade. Thus, that's why we never have the massive talents in our system. Now, we have the best high school pitcher in the draft fall into our laps if we want, and we don't take him. Don't forget, we're not selecting until 89. No sandwich picks to worry about. Why not attempt to add a high ceiling pitcher rated the #2 overall talent? So what, give him 8 million -- it's not my money. Do those within our organization not realize the arms within the division far exceed ours? We need immediate impact players to compete with those of Detroit and Minnesota. Not to mention Cleveland. All I have to say is Aaron Poreda better not lose velocity or find himself in the bullpen.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 03:47 PM) Just for the record I'm with Flash. I like our pick. Whoa, now. I'm not thrilled with it, but I'm not as upset as I've been in previous years with our selections. Best I can put it as I'm rather indifferent. He has a good fastball, yes, but that's about it. I'd rather have had three other pitchers over him. Poreda better be a #1 or #2 starter sometime in his future.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 03:41 PM) An upside as a reliever at best. This is a terrible f***in pick. I would probably be more upset if the last 10+ years of first round draft picks haven't had been so terrible. I'd take Poreda and his once pitch right now over Broadway and McCulloch if those two were in the draft. I still believe it's inexcusable to allow Detroit an opportunity to select Porcello. It's simple, though. If Porcello meets his various projections and develops into a top of the rotation starter it's more pressure placed on our scouts to find talent overseas and further along in the draft. We're to the point where if blue-chip prospects don't emerge, we're going to be in trouble. Pressures on Williams.

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 03:38 PM) And if we picked Smoker, Griffith, Harvey, or Porcello all of you would have found reasons to blast the White Sox for those picks too. "They'll get hurt" "Wasted pick...we can't develop pitching" "We'll trade them away" "We'll never sign them" LOLLERZ. Obviously you haven't been reading the last several pages. Specifically, where I said picking a power arm who never produces for the Sox is acceptable if he atleast gives the club a projectable arm.

Terrible. Just remember, Williams, we had an opportunity to select him.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 03:30 PM) his numbers are not what you would expect for a first rounder in a pretty s***ty baseball conference. 93 hits in 100 innings and only 66 k's. WTF?? He will be nothing more than another reliever. Yeah, as I've said, I'm not too upset -- there certaintly is projectability. I would have loved to have Smoker or Griffith, though. It's simple. If Poreda is a bust, we won't have to worry about the current collection of crosscheckers and scouts making any more decisions. If Minnesota or Detroit picks Smoker, Griffith, Harvey, or Porcello, we may be in trouble for quite a long time.

QUOTE(danman31 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 03:28 PM) 66 Ks in 99.2 IP...oh, it all makes sense now. That's exactly it. I recall a week ago mentioning this line. He's nothing but a fastball pitcher at this point. Looking fastball alone, this obviously was the choice. I just assumed the White Sox would search for someone with a more rounded repetoire, such as Griffith or Smoker.

To be honest, I'm not too upset with Aaron Poreda. This is a definite high risk/high reward move. As Phillips says, his secondary move is lacking.

I'd love for Williams to break mold here and select Porcello. If he goes to Detroit we're in trouble. Although Smoker and Griffith are still on the board. I wouldn't be too upset with any of those three, although Porcello is the obvious choice.

QUOTE(29thandPoplar @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 03:15 PM) If they pick him it might be as a CF. This is a guy who has already had arm tendonitis which is a red flag to me. How long ago? I haven't heard anything recently. Main's problem isn't velocity, but developing consistent secondary pitches. We shouldn't shy away from this.

f*** YES!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!