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QUOTE(greg775 @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 11:04 PM) Our scouts need to go. How could anybody draft a guy who bats like BA No. 1? He looks like a pitcher at the plate. What round was Jeremy Reed? We need new scouts. 2nd -- 59th overall.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 10:26 PM) .....and how exactly has he made an "impact" for Twins themselves? How many of the thousands of players drafted over the past couple of seasons have even seen the big leagues? Zimmerman is one of those "impact" players, Tulowitzki, Travis Buck and Alex Gordon are all up but haven't made an "impact." How is it only the Sox are screwing up here? He hasn't made an immediate impact, but if you're willing to overlook Garza's minor league statistics because it hasn't helped the Twins immediately then it's obvious "impact" in your mind only applies to someones value in the majors. Alex Gordon and Tulowitzki have quality minor league statistics to fall back upon. If their past is any indication, they'll gradually improve. What does it matter if their impact is immediate or several years in the future? The White Sox screw up by selecting Lance Broadway and Kyle McCulloch two consecutive drafts. They screw up by failing to develop hitting talent without the same swing deficiencies. And, most importantly, they fail to compensate for low draft positions by improving their position among international scouting. You think our low-round drafting has been atrocious? Just try and spin our lack of success overseas. We haven't produced as much as a Neifi Perez clone since Ordonez and Lee.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 10:08 PM) So what's with that 10 years crap in your sig? I asked you before; isn't unfair to expect draft picks from at least two years ago to make any kind of contribution at the major league level? You don't need more than two years to understand the value of a prospect. Garza -- drafted #25 in 2005 -- has dominated minor league competition at every level, has power stuff, and happens to be in the right organization for pitching development. I don't need more than two years to figure that out.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 10:03 PM) So over the past 7 drafts, covering 70 picks, you found 14 names, only 20%, were "good" picks. One of them is on our team as well and only another 5 have actually done something worth a damn in at the Major league level WHICH COUNTS THE MOST. How come you act like it's only the Sox who are pumping out the other 90% of picks that aren't doing anything in the MLB. QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 09:27 PM) That's still down to a 20-30% chance.....divide those players (and the jury's out on at least half of them STILL) by 7 years. It's actually higher than the variance you listed. If you count the number of pitchers taken between the 20th and 30th pick from 2000 to 2006, there were 39. Now, you may accuse me of cherry picking, but I wouldn't count 2006 towards the total since many of the pitchers are too soon in their development. Only Andrew Miller has reached the majors of the entire first round. None of the pitchers I included in my list were drafted in 2006, anyways. That brings the number down to 13 major league quality pitchers over 33 total from the six drafts encompassing 2000-2005. That's 39.4%. Nothing is guaranteed, but still, it isn't impossible to expect success. You'd think the odds would have played in our favor over 15+ years. Regardless of first round position, we've hardly been making the right selections.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 08:44 PM) And to say that McCullough and Broadway are busts. They were late first round draft picks, not many top-line starters come out of the 20-30 picks in the first. You're right to assume not many top-line starters emerge from those picks. However, there are quite a number of legitimate major league pitchers and prospects: Since 2000: -Adam Wainwright -Boof Bonser -Noah Lowry -Jeremy Bonderman -Joe Blanton -Matt Cain -Chad Cordero -David Aardsma -Chad Billingsley -Adam Miller -Glen Perkins -Philip Hughes -Eric Hurley -Matt Garza It's not impossible to make a good selection at our draft position.

QUOTE(Haaarold @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 08:32 PM) All you Anderson bashers have your heads up your rears, and obviously don't know a thing about the game aside from what you read in the newspaper or on this website. Your the same bunch that wanted Crede gone mid-way through the '05 season... now you can't live without him. Yes his his bat is slow, but aside from the Pujols' and the Sizemores' and a few other select players around the league, there aren't too many guys coming up from the minors that immediately make a huge impression after only one season. A year from now when he is gone and hitting .290 w/ 90 rbi's and playing a gold glove caliber cf you 'll be complaining how stupid KW was for moving him. Learn a little something about the game before you post bunk like that. If you honestly believe Anderson will be hitting .290 with 90RBI, perhaps you should learn a little something about the game before you post bunk like that. His swing isn't conducive to hitting for a high average. He'll be lucky to hit .260 next season. I believe many here could easily live without Crede. If Fields once again figures out how to play baseball I'll have no problem shipping Crede out.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 07:43 PM) Fields is hitting worse than Terrero. There are no good offensive options in the Sox minor league system. They need to look outside I agree there are no good options, but even with Terrero's small advantage in average he's still only three percentage points better in OPS. Fields can draw a walk. Terrero doesn't know what one is.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 07:40 PM) yep... I wouldn't mind Fields though. Terrero's only purpose for a call-up is to provide a right handed option for CF. Guarantee that'll be Guillen's excuse. Ignoring that it was never a problem this last month with Anderson receiving 17 ABs.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 06:51 PM) Our future, no1!!!!!!!!1111111111 PS: get better, Broadway. More like, oh noes, our future trade bait!!1111

QUOTE(BearSox @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 07:26 PM) any updated news yet? Only Scott Merkin's own belief of who'll be called up: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...rtnered=rss_cws What a joke, if true.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 06:03 PM) Another failed first round pick. I really hope the organization is embarrassed with the flops they've been churning out through the draft. The Sox haven't produced a productive major league player with their first pick in 17 years. Pathetic. It's embarrasing for fans to observe; I can't imagine how Williams interacts with those responsible for the picks. How do they even look him in the face? I'm sorry, even if these employees have shown promise in later rounds, those are typically luck. Chris Young, Mark Buehrle, and Brandon McCarthy were selected in the 16th, 38th, and 17th round respectively. Jack Egbert was a 13th round choice. Some recent selections in earlier rounds with a potential to turn out well appear to be Adam Russell (6th round), Aaron Cunningham (6th round), Giovanni Gonzalez (1st round), Ryan Sweeney (2nd round), and maybe Josh Fields (1st round). Still, there needs to be more accountability -- especially in the earlier rounds. I don't even care how our selections have compared with other teams within the league. Soxtalk members may still doubt me, but it's not going to be pretty for this team within the next several years unless the organizational approach to drafting and developing players changes. I don't even need to compare the future rotations of divisional opponents to ours. You may cry.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 04:19 PM) You won't get more up-to-date news than this. Broadway left his start today in Charlotte after two pitches due to injury. No word on what it is yet. So much for a safe, repeatable delivery. Let's just hope the injury isn't serious. He can't stand to lose any velocity.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 04:39 PM) Well the report I read had him at 97-98 in the pen, so even if the report was 3 mph off he should still be throwing93-96, not 89-90. He's thrown 92-94 from the games I've seen -- with movement. I'm more upset with Williams promising a relief arm in Masset who's a "notch" below Jenks. And I don't believe he was referring to current Bobby Jenks.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 04:13 PM) Anorexia Ball 2007 - The Offensive offense. Team Mascot?

Guillen is talking about sending Anderson down to Charlotte. He gone.

They're still hits, regardless of how far they fall from an infielder. Our pathetic offense wishes they could have any type of hit these last several days. Their inability to drive in baserunners isn't "untraditional;" it's just bad baseball. Neither is an opposing team making contact with a fastball in a hitters count.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 03:33 PM) I've never seen so many players have their velocity drops. The sooner this whole coaching staff is gone, the better. How much longer will Jenks be given a pass on his 4 mph drop in velocity? Or Contreras, Garland, Thornton, Vazquez all receiving their share of drop-offs? You'd never see anything like this in Minnesota. Hell, that tub of crap Boof Bonser actually GAINED velocity since last season. He's consistently pitching between 92-94.

OH MAN, those blasted duck snorts!!! Quit the excuses, Hawk. Odd how these magical hits never seem to find their way onto the field when we're hitting.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 03:25 PM) It's obvious the book on Jenks and Thornton is to swing at the first pitch straight fastball. Never in a million years did I think Wood would make contact against Jenks. That's the book on every pitcher. Cooper preaches "throwing strikes," which is good when you off an ability to locate offspeed pitches and throw them at any count over the plate.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 03:22 PM) And he gets a nasty breaking ball. I typed the post before his 0-2 pitch, which was a fastball.

Well, his velocity was down. It seems he found quite the day to find it. If Erstad isn't lookiing for a fastball this next pitch he should be immediately taken out of the game.

Before Hawk goes on complimenting Rodriguez, it should be pointed out his velocity is down and he has been hit recently. Ordonez took him deep several days ago. It's not impossible to score off him.

Hey, what do you know? Someones on base who may score on a double in the gap.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 03:07 PM) Please update the McCarthy watch...or cancel it, I think he's doing to AAA tomorrow. Or....I get to it later. His numbers aren't going anywhere.

QUOTE(diegotony06 @ Apr 29, 2007 -> 03:03 PM) Watching this teams offense is absolutely painful. Something has to be done, because the weather excuse is no longer available It's sad that even with a one run deficit, this game feels out of reach. If not Escobar, we'll be facing Shields and Rodriguez. This offense is dreadful to watch, regardless of the opposing starter. The aforementioned pitchers just about closes the game.