Flash Tizzle

I don't believe they overreacted. Just read several of those quotes. It's actually far worse than anything Seung-Cho envisioned. If he were to enter school tomorrow and unload several hundred rounds of ammunition upon his classmates, critics would have been all over the English teacher for not reporting the "creative" essay. You'd expect an 18 year old high school student to understand such material in the wake of Virginia Tech would be taken seriously. However, even though I understand their reaction, I don't believe he should be charged with any crime.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 27, 2007 -> 09:37 AM) And I repeat: I still haven't heard valid reasoning for why mid-afternoon in a crowded mall was the best possible scenario for a full raid with a large number of heavily-armed officials detaining hundreds of innocent bystanders. If the criminals were potentially armed and dangerous, why a crowded mall? Their main center of operation was some basement apartment in the Southwest side. How about getting them there instead of taking any risks with such a large number of innocent bystanders? You haven't heard a valid reason because one hasn't been released. The Chicago Sun Times didn't mention this incident, even one word, in today's edition. Yesterday it was buried 15 pages or so into the paper. You may never find an appropriate answer. You obviously think differently, but I'm willing to give federal law enforcement officials the benefit of doubt. Just imagine you're in a room discussing this case and strategizing how to detain several dozen individuals responsible for organizing an illegal documentation ring. Several of which have direct knowledge of murder done to eliminate competition. Don't you believe the thought crossed their minds that, one, these people may be armed; and two, detaining everyone in a mall may cause a problem? I don't even need sources to suggest with utmost certainty the options were studied and it was agreed upon that this was the most efficient way of capturing everyone. There's so much information the public doesn't know. How if those 22 detained considered the Discount Mall a sanctuary and weren't heavily armed? What if it was the only location where everyone met? Again, I have to believe every necessary precaution was taken to ensure no innocent bystanders were hurt or suspects were lost. Last I checked, everything has worked out well. I would like to know exactly how big this mall is, what time the raid was conducted, and for how long were bystanders detained? If these 150 people were held for five minutes, certainly they'd understand it was done only to capture those wanted for illegal activity. I don't believe for one second it'll emotionally scar them, either. Many of the shoppers probably witness, or have witnessed, their share of crime. Anyone who brings up "well, would they have done this at Enron," think how those examples two are different. If any race of people were creating an illegal ring of documentation for illegals with the unfortunate side job of murdering rivals, nothing would have been different.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Apr 26, 2007 -> 10:43 PM) Flash I just don't see the cause for guns being drawn at that mall. It's inapprorpiate with the situation and the cause. Inappropriate? Read the following information and tell me, in your honest opinion, whether federal agents raiding a shopping center to detain several alleged criminals was the correct choice. http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_115063302.html ... http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/358890,...-RAID26.article This has obviously been closely monitored case for quite some time. I have to believe the decision to draw weapons upon a public shopping center never would have occurred if there were a viable alternative. I've figured as much with your numerous references to police brutality. First, define "historians" in the context of police work. Is the term supposed to refer to their ineffectiveness at preventing crime? Crime prevention is impossible unless citizens and outside agencies work together to provide law enforcement officials with sufficient information to act upon. With this Little Village raid several days ago, federal agents likely saved the lives of several people. Yet, this will of course be looked over. That's not a good hyperbole. At all. If all policemen do is interview suspects, complete paperwork, and conduct traffic stops, then I suppose all Doctors do is grab your genitals and listen for a heartbeat. That all the work ACLU lawyers conduct is to related to defending pedophiles and terrorists. I could go on. It's really misconceptions such as your friends which create this divide among civilians and law enforcement. Nothing relating to baseball. Just several of your comments within this forum are different from the person I've talked to in chat. Almost as if you've been the result of police brutality yourself and accept every generalization and stereotype of their work as fact. It's the people within the area not the area itself which is intimidating. One of the detainees mentioned in one of the above articles was from Oak Lawn, not Little Village.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Apr 26, 2007 -> 10:09 PM) I love it. Let's go into a Mexican mall guns blazing because it's easier to detain them but do nothing when someone is shooting up a College or a High School. If only those two scenarios were remotely similar to one another. QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Apr 26, 2007 -> 10:13 PM) The truth is that modern policemen are historians, for the most part. Seriously, you know you're my guy, but have you suffered a significant head injury recently? It just seems your posts are becoming more and more bizarre.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 26, 2007 -> 05:41 PM) The several hundred shoppers and workers that did not have anything to do with it DID NOT need to be contained. How about this: if they took the time to profile, identify, knew that some were dangerous, and have arrest warrants for who they wanted to arrest, why not just arrest them at their homes? It's more efficient to arrest a large group of alleged criminals in one setting rather than systematically detaining every person at their place of residence. You simply can't coordinate such a large operation without hundreds of additional officers and the possibility of several escaping once word was released.

QUOTE(Top Notch @ Apr 26, 2007 -> 04:00 PM) That's ridiculous. Perhaps I'm comparing apples and oranges here, but I don't like some people but I would never wish injury upon them or not care if one of these people was hit in the face with a baseball. I don't wish injury upon anyone. However, when one does occur -- I'll cheer for it depending upon the person and their position on the ballclub. The difference between myself and others such as yourself is I'm actually speaking my mind. Everyone feels the way I do, but they just like to put up this front of actually caring for multi-millilon dollar athletes. Hopefully next time a fastball will hit Hunter in the nuts. Then I'll laugh...and laugh...and laugh.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 26, 2007 -> 03:28 PM) Never like to see that happen to anyone not named Bonds. Nah, I'm glad it happened. If I don't like a certain baseball player, I couldn't care less if he's injured.

I have to admit I never thought anything of the sock. Although, I didn't praise its existence as the embodiment of courage in sports as ESPN seemed to do. They must be heartbroken in Bristol over this.

I saw Jerry Manuel begging for money on the street and asked him his philosophy on drafting pitchers. He said soft-tossing righthanders with a safe delivery and medicore stuff is the way to go. I left him a used piece of Orbit gum.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Apr 25, 2007 -> 11:37 PM) We are channeling Pinella Yeah, I can't wait for those sultry summer nights when our offense scores 5+ runs consistently and the pitching gives up just as many.

QUOTE(stretchstretch @ Apr 25, 2007 -> 11:12 PM) it's pretty much official at this point that BA will never be a full timer in Chgo. Just doesn't have the ability to layoff junk, or hit an array of pitches, let alone the vaunted "down-the-middle-at-85mph" ball. And he's not progressed at all, still weak in the same exact areas. Maybe with another club somewhere where the pressure will be different, but on this team he's a marked guy and that's just too hard to come out of when everyone solidly expects you to fail..... I'll attempt to channel Hawk with this: "You show me a major league ballplayer capable of hitting four/five hanging sliders or several straight 85 mph fastballs and I'll show you a future hall of famer."

It'd be a great idea to open the season in another country.......... Just not for the White Sox. Have any other team go.

QUOTE(HeGone33 @ Apr 25, 2007 -> 11:08 PM) It was to cold!!! Good point. Face Durbin in warmer weather with this lineup and they'll easily score one run. Maybe

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Apr 25, 2007 -> 10:59 PM) This is what HR swing clubs get you. Dominated by a career 6+ ERA pitcher. Wrong thread. Both you and I are giving guests the impression the White Sox won.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Apr 25, 2007 -> 04:54 PM) So my step brother won over 6 grand last night playing online poker. Which online site?

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 25, 2007 -> 10:43 PM) Terrero will be 27 next month and Owens just turned 26 so no they are not young. Fields is 25 and has been terrible thus far this season and Sweeney is 22 but hasn't done much of anything either. Business as usual for the farm system. If either Fields or Sweeney can turn themselves around, atleast it would save us money for perhaps one roster position in 2008. Although I doubt either will be seriously considered for a starting position, which is SAD.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 25, 2007 -> 10:26 PM) Our offensive players in the minors are brutal so far at the high levels. It's sad Sweeney and Fields respectively are considered our top offensive prospects. Well, unless Cunningham continues raking. We absolutely need production from within this system if we're going to sustain success. I'm sure i"m not the only one who had thoughts of Sweeney, Fields -- possibly both -- joining the team next season. Judging from this point in the season, neither seem like good options.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Apr 25, 2007 -> 10:20 PM) Even on average, Danks was ok. Given any reasonable expectations for a rookie this young, it was an acceptable performance. He has kept the offense in the game every start. Considering his rookie status, and the quality of the opponents, I can't realistically expect more. Four runs against the Tigers through six innings with Chad Santana pitching should have been enough.

QUOTE(danman31 @ Apr 25, 2007 -> 10:17 PM) I officially hate Brian Anderson. It's a shame, but I'm beginning to shift towards that side. Yes, our entire lineup didn't look good against Durbin -- but Anderson especially was atrocious. In his second AB he missed three consecutive meatballs; two fastballs down the middle and a hanging slider. This isn't exactly a pitcher who'll deceive you or throws 95+ and can get away with mistakes.

Where's our Chad Durbin?

Again, Anderson shows a complete inability to recognize a straight fastball down the middle. His days on this ballclub are dwindling.

How the f*** do you miss that pitch?

I'm sure Anderson wishes Uribe would have recorded an out. Let's see how our STUD young outfielder performs in this crucial situation.

Anyone have a copy of Durbin's game on VHS? I'll be willing to be upwards of $100. OH YEAH, USELESS RALLY! I'm sure we'll here after tonight how this 9th inning will somehow inspire the White Sox to play better.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Apr 25, 2007 -> 09:53 PM) It's not gonna hurt anything to have someone like Sisco throw an inning. With wet conditions on the field, it could hurt. I just wouldn't waste any other arm. 4-0 or 6-0, we're still losing this game. If Logan can't get over the two runs and look past the previous innings he doesn't deserve to be in the majors.