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QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Apr 14, 2007 -> 03:58 PM) Some quotes from Tribe fans about grinderstad Tell me, at any point in the thread did a single Cleveland Indians fan wish one of their players were simliar to ours? Such as, "damn, that Jermaine Dye is a great hitter. Wish we had one." Or "where's our Joe Crede?" This entire season, if I were to read through the fan forums of every team faced, I guarantee someone has said something such as that on only two occasions -- Danks and Aardsma. It may not mean much to many of you, but I look it as a team declining quickly and otherwise comprised of fair to decent talent. Nothing really to build a time around; more complimentary parts. These next few years may not be too pretty within the division.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 14, 2007 -> 03:52 PM) Ozzie won a ring. Remember that folks before you criticize any move he made or didn't make today. You know I love that. I'm wondering when the cutoff point will be for people to quit mentioning that. Will it be the 2010 season, with the White Sox losing five straight to begin the season, when someone is shot down for criticizing Guillen because he "won a championship five years ago"? I wish 2005 would escape from our memories; atleast when referencing team-wide baseball trends. Just because the 2005 White Sox did something, doesn't mean it'll happen this season. Same goes for 2006. All seasons should be placed in their own bubble.

What is completely inexcusable from Guillen is leaving in Podsednik AND Erstad in to face Fultz. Say what you want about Erstad's defensive miscue (he has been solid, unlike Podsednik) or Erstad remaining in to face Borowski, Guillen's unwillingness to make simple decisions to help his team win is costing us ballgames.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Apr 14, 2007 -> 03:00 PM) Maybe your philosophy is to tank games at the end, but in my opinion you play each and every game to win. I don't mind you complaining about some of our draft picks and our scouting, but complaining that we won 90 games to me is , no we didnt get to the playoffs... but you never tank games. Of course you don't purposely tank games. You just sit almost all the starters and put in the prospects. I don't know how you explain this to Guillen, who I doubt cares about draft position. Podsednik and several other players had incentives and milestones to reach the final week. It'll probably be the same in future seasons. The point is, even three less games would have been the difference between selecting 21 and 25. If it's the difference between Aumont and someone of lesser stature, did the extra wins really amount to much? I'll just put it this way -- from someone looking at our best interests this season, if we're obviously down and out at a certain point in August (such as 10+ out of playoff position), I'll hope for the best possibly draft posiiton. No use amassing wins which have no purpose.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Apr 14, 2007 -> 02:17 PM) I can tell you EXACTLY who Aumont's agent is... and no, it's not Boras. I would be shocked if Aumont fell to #25 at this stage of the game. Yeah, I figured he wouldn't drop that far considering the various scouts who have raved about his 'stuff.' If he is selected between #20 and 24, however, I'll be disappointed. This guy will only drop due to his lack of experience, but may turn into the next Rich Harden under proper care. Nothing like winning 90 useless victories a week and a half after falling out of playoff contention.

Atleast Pierzynski's throw may have thrown out a little leaguer stealing second base.......

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Apr 14, 2007 -> 02:18 PM) I can't explain how glad I am to NOT have to listen to Hawk right now. I can only imagine the s*** he's saying that would push me over the edge. He's not making any excuses, actually. Rather, he's ignoring everything on the field and talking about Cleveland playing in Miller Park. Several instances today he's criticized the team; particularly Uribe these last few days.

Why is Erstad still in? Why isn't he being substituted for?

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 14, 2007 -> 01:59 PM) I have a hunch Ozzie might be on his way out, he's due for one huge outburst this year that includes a racial slur. The thing is, I don't necessarily won't him fired I just wish he weren't so f***ing stubborn. Even if Guillen crosses the line with a comment, I'm willing to keep him around. I honestly believe this team is due for several poor seasons. I'm not confident in our upcoming prospects immediately producing, our aging lineup/pitching maintaining career production, and competing with teams within the decision. But above everything else, I honestly believe Guillen's influence in Venezuela may be vital in drawing in talented prospects. Look at Felix Hernandez and Garcia. If, after an additional two seasons, we're not seeing this -- then let him go. After which he'll be useless.

another opposite field out for Cleveland. If I didn't know better, I'd say the offense realizes two things: one, Dye is slow as hell in RF; and two, Pierzysnki is consistently setting up on the outside plate.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Apr 14, 2007 -> 01:54 PM) Byrd. 6 IP 5 H 0 R (I'll repeat that 0 R) 0 ER 2 BB 5 SO (I'll repeat that 5 SO for a non K pitcher) Wow.. I'm going to keep track of his next several starts after this. I'll guarantee he won't come anywhere close to this line.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 14, 2007 -> 01:48 PM) I agree, but we don't have to worry about him returning. The least Dye can do is continue being slow in the field and atleast have a decent hitting approach at the plate. Step 1: Not swinging and missing three consecutive pitchers off Paul Byrd. Cmon Dye, we're expecting class-A compensation. Don't disappoint us.

Was that catch in slow motion? Because it appeared that way.

Where's our Ryan Garko? Seriously, do we have any player who has went opposite field this entire season more than Garko has this series?

QUOTE(shawnhillegas @ Apr 14, 2007 -> 01:36 PM) We need Ryan Garko. Cmon, that's unrealistic. Every team would want a Ryan Garko. And a Grady Sizemore. And a Travis Hafner. And a C.C Sabathia!!!!11 Makes you wonder whether any opposing team watches our team and thinks, "Wow, that (player A); I wish we had a player of his capabilities." Outside of the bullpen, probably not.

Embarrassing. No reason at all for four straight swing and misses against Byrd in one inning.

That AB was pure Dead. Just terrible.

That John Danks, sure has bad luck. Anyone who opposes Johan Santana and Paul Byrd back to back just isn't going to have much run support. :lol

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Apr 14, 2007 -> 01:16 PM) Byrd is the only pitcher who beat the White Sox in the 2005 playoffs. Sounds like you're laying the foundation for an excuse...... Byrd isn't even the Byrd of 2005. He's lost several mph. There's no excuse for our performance against him.

very un-grinderlike from Erstad.

I don't understand what's so difficult about Paul Byrd. How our offense has handled him is bordering on embarrassing. Against Santana you understand, but Byrd? Cmon.

It's sad when I wish our team had a hitter like Ryan Garko.

Chat room open for the coalition of the willing.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 13, 2007 -> 07:06 PM) Are any of these guys Boras clients? Or is that still to be determined? Hopefully acquiring Danks means turning the page on the whole "not drafting Boras guys in the first round" for the Sox, but I still have my doubts. As of now, Greg Peavey is the only pitcher of the three advised by Boras. I agree with your sentiment regarding Boras clients. You can't expect to continually develop talent when the international talent pool is ignored, we're consistently picking 15+, and the quality players available -- which may demand more money -- are passed up.

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