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Really interested to see some of the names that get non-tendered across the league today.

I've seen you say this like 5x recently. Vaughn isn't spending any more than a few more weeks in the minors, barring injury or trade.

wat?

Rosario doesn't suck. He's a pretty good hitter - but he doesn't walk much at all. He does hit from the left side which is a benefit. I watch a lot of Twins baseball (I live in MN), and watch pretty much every game when the Sox aren't on. He is a VERY bad defender. Eloy level bad. He is not a RF. Sign Springer, move Eloy to DH, sign Rosario to play LF and trade Vaughn for elite SP could be a route, but short of moving Vaughn and shifting Eloy to DH, there is no role for Rosario on this team - just like Ozuna would not a fit either. This isn't THAT hard to understand.

I don't think anything is "holding them back", except for maybe Jerry's reluctance to spend the cash necessary to turn this team into an immediate WS contender by going out and signing Bauer, Springer, Quintana, Pederson and a closer and going to business. But now is not the time to push all our chips in via trade and move really any of our élite young talent. Trade from the second tier, or just use money and sign players.

No. Under no scenario should the Sox tender Mazara a contract. Non tender him and resign him for half the cost if that's what you need to do. But there is no reason to pay him his projected arb salary. That said, I hope we just move in another direction unless 28+ man rosters are back for 2021, in which case I'd be fine bringing back Mazara for a couple million as a backup plan. But it still doesn't make much sense as he adds very little value to a bench.

Ozuna is not a fit on this roster. He can’t play defense and hits from the wrong side and blocks our best prospect.

Yeah, I think that’s probably well light.

Ozuna is not a fit on this roster.

But I still really like Micker, but you're probably right.

Not a whole lot of fat after those three. Vargas, Zavala, Mercedes and Gonzalez probably the next 4. Maybe Rutherford.

Coop'll fix em. Oh wait.

Correct. I see Ray has since said he was serious (though I didn't originally read it that way), but in any event, still sort of uncalled for. I know I wouldn't want people calling me disabled on the internet. But I also occasionally see other people just absolutely rail on him on twitter. Again, I don't follow that closely so maybe some of it is warranted (stealing other peoples tweet ideas and what not). But it gets very personal. Seems like some guys are just jealous of his following, and like Orlando said, its insane the number of grown ass men that are obsessed with trying to "body bag" him. As I said earlier, just let him be. Peavy on the other hand absolutely spammed and ruined this board. A little different.

You guys, and many others, are so mean to chisoxfanmike. He seems like a decent kid. He definitely has a bit on Twitter and isn’t exactly my cup of tea, but the hate he gets directed towards him isn’t really fair. At least from my vantage point. Let him be.

I mean I’m not going to be mad if the Sox protect Burger, but what team is their right mind is going to claim him? The risk seems VERY minimal.

Agreed. Save the impact prospect/ young mlb capital. Sign FA and if you need to make a trade, use guys that don’t project to have major roles in the coming years. Go to battle in 21 and see what happens. Can reasses next offseason. This team is good enough to win the central with a few shrewd signings and without moving any of our major prospects.

When the "supposed insider" on this board decided to disparage him every chance he gets.

No one has said Madrigal wont be ready for OD. Just that he may miss a couple weeks of ST.

That's not even what I meant. I mean he has an obvious place within the construction of the roster. Which he does. So let me ask you this, since I am sure you'd be tickled to see the Sox trade him. Who do they sign to play 2B?

I’m skeptical too. It’s hard not to be. But that’s what makes trading a guy like Madrigal so tough. He’s every bit as good as any FA short of Lamaheiu and to a lease extent Semien and he’s cheap as dirt for awhile. For a team with a budget, why just punt that $10-12M a year in savings on 2B to take on a very good SP, but an injury prone one, making 8-90% what he’d get on the open market this offseason. Not to mention Cease / Dunning too. The math doesn’t make sense. It’s the same reason some (most?) think the math doesn’t work in Bauer. It’s the same issue. Now if we’re playing with limited regard for a budget, trade Madrigal+ for Yu and sign Semien to play 2B along with at worst at Joc type and another SP and a closer, then OK. But I just don’t see it. Love or hate Madrigal, he has a very clear role on this team and we’re not exactly in the position to be giving away young cheap controllable and potentially impact SP. The proposed move doesn’t make sense.

Well, until we're proven otherwise, I think we need to operate under the assumption that $140M or so is going to be the top of budget. Therefore trading cheap cost controlled assets for expensive vets on market rate deals is much less attractive than just filling holes via FA. For the cost of Darvish + FA 2B youre likely damn near the AAV that Bauer would cost. Obviously that discounts future years, but your still paying Darvish in 2022 and still need pay a 2B. Its the same analysis we went through on Machado vs. the collection of shit we brought in instead that cost the same amount.

It's going to be interesting to see what Bauer signs for. Mentioned this in another thread earlier today, but the only way he gets close to $40M AAV is if he takes a short term deal. Cole is better and just signed for $32M AAV a year ago pre-pandemic. I'd happily pay Bauer $32M AAV over 4 years as opposed to trading two of Madrigal/Cease/Dunning to get Darvish on basically a slightly below market deal. Plus, now they have to go spend at least $10M to fill 2B via FA, and now a future rotation fixture is also gone. The cost for next year is basically the same once you add in the 2B FA. I am all for trading pieces that don't really fit our future puzzle, or moving some premier guys for a super elite player (such as Yelich, just as an example). But I am not really looking to fill a hole with an expensive injury prone vet and create a hole that was filled by a cost controlled future fixture that will cost less than $1M for the next few seasons. Doesn't compute to me unless the Sox are going to all of a sudden be one of the big spenders in baseball, and if that is the case, just go sign Bauer.

WHY TRADE OUR GOOD YOUNG FUTURE CORE PLAYERS WHEN WE CAN EASILY SIGN THE PLAYERS THAT WE NEED? IT STILL MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.

Losing Kopech in 2020 sucked and was a kick in the balls. But taking the long view, he did the Sox a favor. Since he hasn't pithced for 2+ seasons, they can't just throw him in the fire and expect him to pitch a full MLB season, so they can super easily play the control game and get the year back they lost by the TJS. Certainly could have used Kopech this past season, but I'll happily take him for a full 162 in 2026 as opposed to 10 starts in 2020.

Sounds like we are mostly in agreement. I just don't think he'd be a poor clubhouse fit with the Sox, but understand where you're coming from. Who exactly do you see taking issue with him strutting around the mound or talking shit? Literally no one comes to mind for me.