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Robert has a fWAR/162 of 4.35. Bohm's is 2.08. Plus, Robert has an extra year of control. Both can be non-tendered and/or bought out in case of major injury or fall off. They aren't close to comparable values no matter how much you try.

I am not shaming the Dodgers, but when 1 of 30 teams buys ALL the free agents, its not exactly a competitive atmosphere. I wish my team did what they do.

I disagree. I will leave it at that.

Why am I retaining him? Because his career fWAR/162 is 4.35 - including his god awful 2024 and other long stretches where he hasn't look like a big leaguer. He is just reaching his prime years. He's unlikely to ever give you 145+ games, but he doesn't need to do that to easily be worth $20M in today's game. He's a game changing talent that is obviously extremely streaky, but if the streak comes early in 2025 (or 26), we're sitting on the most sought after position player at the deadline. And if you want to assume Robert just is what he is, he's still a very good CF with a lot of pop, and the ability to carry a team for weeks if he gets hot. On an actual contender with legitimate protection around him, I am certain he would be much closer to the 23 version than 24.

Baseball is broken.

Yeah, I am hopeful that had more to do with Grifol, and the new regime will at least give him another shot. But realize that may not be in the cards. I obviously don't see the behind the scenes stuff, and the on field stuff hasn't been pretty, but fuckina, give the guy an extended look. What's the harm?

Why? He was actually a solid baseball player from June on. Its a real if, but IF he duplicates that performance April-June, he's tradeable (not for much return, but at least get the 26-27 $ off the books). If Jerry is trying to run this thing as lean as possible, I'd prefer not to pay Benintendi to be a 1 WAR OF somewhere else.

That's fair. I guess if they find a way to dump Beni (outside of a Crochet deal, I refuse to believe that until it happens), it makes more sense. But a roster with Beni, Robert and Hays, its going to be pretty tough to give Fletcher, Deloach and Colas they ABs we need to give them in 2025.

This. I also don't really see the point in Austin Hays. Just let our fringe guys play in 25.

Sure. A serious injury is entirely possible for any player. $50M isn't the max payroll. So I don't really care to play those hypothetical games, but yes, I would. Because he is one asset that is a monster first half away from having major value (in 25, but also 26). The guy has 5-7 WAR ceiling, and he's actually done it.

Robert was brutal in 24, but man has this board soured on him. There really aren't any scenarios short of a long term serious injury where I am not retaining Robert for $20M in 26.

I don't see how trading him for a paltry return works out in the Sox favor either, tho. I don't know what the interest level is in Robert and what types of offers might come together. I could be convinced to trade him this winter. But selling low, when there is minimal downside risk if the offseason offers are poor, and the upside is tremendous, is bad business. I think Getz valuing him as a 2.5-3 WAR player with additional upside and three years of control (with downside protection) is appropriate.

Huh? $20M is a fair price even if Robert is basically what he is. He's an absolute bargain if he's 3-5 WAR player.

I could see spending some $ on a SP and a reliever or two as flips. Maybe a SS to hold down the fort until Colson is ready, but I'd just let Baldwin have a crack at it with Sosa holding down 2B. Otherwise an milb deal catcher or two, and they should be fine. Plus whatever mlb ready positional prospect they bring in with Crochet deal.

As damn well they should.

Honestly, what's even the point in spending $ in free agency this offseason? They should just see what they have with the fringe guys.

For the half season they're on the major league club together (if both are healthy), on an (at best) 85-90 loss team, and then watch Crochet go to FA without any return but a potential comp pick?

Because it doesn't make any sense. I'm sure they'd love to dump Beni. I personally would just keep him. He was solid last few months of the season and he a good first half away from being moveable without being a negative asset. But if they can dump him now to open up more ABs for Fletcher/Deloach/Colas, I won't argue. That said, taking less return on Crochet to dump Beni makes less than no sense.

Great. Call him up in May.

I think Sox keep AV, but I'd certainly be trying to get a deal closer to $4.5-$5M done. Lose some leverage there after today. I think Sox tender all except Gavin, thought wouldn't be surprised to see everyone back. De Los Santos also a coin flip.

I sure hope Quero isn't on the OF roster. Terrible short sighted roster management. I doubt Chuckie Robinson survives the offseason on the 40 man, so we'll need another catcher but I'd just give Lee the vast majority of the work until Quero earns his promotion, sometime in May. I'd probably just bring in a couple milb invite and see who wins the job. Or could just let Hackenburg get a taste.

Usually non tenders are just outrights prior to the deadline. See Nicky Lopez for example.

They literally can't.

I mean, Jose is getting paid $20M in 25 by the Astros. He'd cost the pro rated minimum. He's probably toast, but it'd be cheap toast at least.

I'd absolutely bring Jose back on an milb deal if they move on from AV.