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13 minutes ago, Hatchetman said:
Nobody will be b****ing if the Sox go to the World Series. I assume that's what we're trying to do. Or not.
Continue to complain about the Sox outbidding the rest of baseball and the guy choosing a different team of out preference. It's going to get you super far!
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Honestly, I am happy for him.
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1 minute ago, SoxBlanco said:
Come on. I've seen posts like this a couple times recently, and it's ridiculous. We were all thinking 5 for $110M could possibly get it done (some people were even saying anything more than $105/$110 would make it a bad deal) The Sox offered 5 for $125. It's easy to judge in hindsight, but that is a great offer. What did you want them to offer? 6 years for $180M?
Some people do, "its not my money". But then they'll b**** down the road when Wheeler turns into a garbage contract. "How could Hahn be so stupid! Such a dumb overpay!" Can never please those types of fans.
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17 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
What’s going to happen in 2021 though when Vaughn is up? I was much more in favor of the rotating DH idea prior to the Abreu extension.
Collins is very likely out of the equation by then, but I guess I'd rather see him develop into an asset in the meantime as opposed to sitting on the bench most of the season. I'd honestly rather Collins play in AAA than play 1x per week as Grandal's backup and the only other catcher on the roster. I also think we'll be able to get more out of Grandal if we don't catch him 6x a week. He's worn down a lot late in seasons, I think keeping McCann and getting Grandal regular work at DH/1B is best for all parties.
For me, its 3 options with Collins for 2020:
1) Primary DH against RHP and 3rd catcher.
2) AAA.
3) Traded.
Trading McCann and Collins being the strict backup catcher would my last choice.
We'll figure out 2021 later.
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57 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
That’s why I was suggesting trading McCann for prospect depth. I agree if you add EE you pretty much need to move one of McCann or Collins as there simply won’t be enough playing time to go around.
I guess. I am just not in love with taking what you can get for McCann just to create space for EE and relegate Collins to strictly backup duties. I guess we'll see how things shake out, but its definitely an option.
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2 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said:
I agree it's different circumstances yet everyone wants to send him down for control reasons. Every post that has mentioned him starting in AAA has mentioned control as the primary reason. Hes not stupid and will see the same thing everyone else does, but fair the injury makes for a nice excuse. It's extremely clear hes one of the best starting options on the team (barring him having a double digit era in ST or something). He will be upset if hes not up here opening day and knows how much that can cost him financially. We will just have to wait and see what decisions they make I guess.
The primary reason is he's going to be on an innings limit in 2020, and if he starts the year in the majors unimpeded, he'll be shut down by August 1. No thanks. The extra year of service is just an added benefit to handling this the correct way.
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17 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said:
Neither does Kris Bryant, but it didnt stop him. When you're clearly manipulating service time, I imagine they will cause a stink about it.
These are wildly different circumstances. Bryant also wasn't returning from a major arm reconstruction surgery. Such a silly comp.
Plus, Brant hit like 15 homers in ST that year and was clearly one of the best players on the Cubs. If Kopech mows down all his competition in ST, this will be closer to a comp, but then you're also still discounting the whole arm reconstruction thing. So yah...not anywhere near the same thing.
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31 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said:
If I had to guess, kopech will be on the opening day roster. If not I imagine a grievance will be filed immediately. And while that would lose, I'm guessing the sox want to avoid the drama all together.
But but but I threw 14 innings in the major leagues and then blew out my elbow! How in the world could they not put me on the major league roster after I haven't thrown a competitive pitch in 18 months! I don't understand! Grievance!!
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2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
Why would he end up on the bench against LHP?
Because McCann hits lefties well, therefore he'll likely against LHP most of the time. Then you only have DH and 1B for Grandal, Abreu and EE. Who all mash lefties.
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3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
Maybin may be overkill (still concerned about Engel in CF for a month), but Holt fills the same exact need at Gennett or Dietrich but arguably better IMO.
As for EE, part of me thinks now that we added such a high variability RF that we need more stability at DH. I still have hope for Collins, but with Vaughn right around the corner this rotating DH spot will likely be a one year event. If so, I’d rather just get a proven stopgap and see if Collins can factor into the catching mix long-term. Otherwise, I don’t see how he factors into the 25 man roster.
I think Leury will be the primary CF over Engel to start the year. I’m pretty sure they’ll add someone to play 2B and then shift to bench. Several names that make varying degrees of sense.
i hear ya on the DH concern, but EE isn’t going to sign somewhere that he’s going to regularly end up on the bench against LHP, which he rakes.
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Too bad EE can't play RF! I just really don't see the fit based on who is on the roster curretnly. Having to sit one of EE, Abreu or Grandal everytime McCann or Collins is in the lineup is silly, especially against LHP.
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13 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said:
If Kopech struggles with his command in spring training, then yes, he should go to AAA. If he looks sharp, though, he should be in the rotation. Many seem to be advocating for AAA no matter how he looks.
Keep banging your head on the wall if you'd like. Kopech will be in AAA, and that is where he should be. Its really not even a question.
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Just now, SoxBlanco said:
Haha, what wasn't me. I've always thought Kopech should and will start in AAA.
My bad!
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32 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:
It's not only about needing to build arm strength...it's more about being on an innings limit next year. If he starts the year in the rotation, then he will be shut down at some point. And if he's going to be shut down anyway, you might as well "shut him down" in the beginning of the year when he can pitch a couple innings at a time in AAA.
Seems I convinced someone! Pretty sure I was trying to get you on this train a week or two ago - now you're convincing others.
May have posters wrong, but pretty sure!
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2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:
Add this point my ideal plan B would be the following:
- Ryu - 3/$66M
- Walker - 1/$9M
- Encarnacion - 1/$10M
- Harris - 2/$18M
- Holt - 2/$9M
- Maybin - 1/$4M
- McCann traded for prospect depth
In regards to the bolded guys, seems like a lot of adding for the sake of adding.
Give me Ryu/Keuchel and Wood/Walker/Gio then a guy like Gennett or Dietrich for 2B and then bench and call it a day.
I guess EE makes some sense if McCann is traded, but doubt Sox want to rely on Collins on primary backup.
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I like the McHugh idea, perhaps as the third guy. We could easily park him in the pen. Keuchel + Wood/Walker + McHugh is about as good as we can hope for at this juncture. With Wood and Walkers injury history, would be nice to have a vet swing man like McHugh.
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2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:
There is a 0% chance Keuchel is taking a 1 year deal. More likely 3/$50M or more.
EDIT: Ignore my post. You’re saying Keuchel and another starter signed to a 1 year deal. If so, I agree.
Correct to the edit. Obviously Keuchel is not signing a 1 year deal.
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17 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:
We haven't seen Rich Hill's name out there recently...keep reading where he had some type of surgery and might miss half the season, but, if that's the case, 90% chance he ends up staying with LAD or retires.
At any rate, Walker and Wood would be too risky, together. You need to pair one of those names with a more stable outcome. Gio Gonzalez's name will start popping up again, too. KW always gets him man (back)?
I'm pretty sure the ticket office is reading those names and thinking how much easier their next 4 months of work would/could have been had they simply been able to get Wheeler into the fold. Of course, the same is equally true in Minnesota, who had Bumgarner as their top target after Wheeler was scooped up.
Might have to trade with the Mets if they fall out of it in the first half and decide to get rid of some of their excess pitching (Stroman/Wacha/Porcello)...that's going to be a tough road with the Braves, Nationals and Phillies. Thor and de Grom are likely to be well out of their acceptable price range in terms of prospect targets.
10 names.
I could have simply said trade with the Mets, but it's not so simple.
Rich Hill is in fact injured and just had a TJS alternative surgery. He’s not an option.
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I hate bringing up Cubs trades because they’re mentioned wayyyyyyyyy too often here. But Quintana still makes a ton of sense. Just have to wonder if Cubs would expect more from Sox than from anyone else considering circumstances.
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Madbum would not be good at GRF. Fine not doing this. But ya, it’s getting thin. Doubt Ryu is in the cards with the teams that still need SP. Keuchel and a 1 year deal is probably what we get.
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Darvish was better and more healthy than Ryu before he became a FA. Darvish amassed 19.3 fWAR is 6 seasons before he was a FA vs Ryu 15.1 fWAR in 7 seasons.
The market has definitely changed a bit since Darvish got his deal, but Darvish IMO, and certainly with respect to fWAR, was a meaningfully better bet at the point in which they became FAs.
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5 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:
I don't hate Ryu. He's a tier above Bumgarner and Keuchel......when he's available. Which isn't often enough.
Same amount as Wheeler though. I too would rather bet on Wheeler moving forward, but he's gone, and we likely would have had to 2x the outlay for what Ryu will get. So you're definitely paying for the better bet.
I don't know if the Sox will sign one of Ryu or Keuchel. I honestly can't say I blame them too much if it will require 4 year commitments, because I think the chances those guys are anything more than average #5 SPs - if they're even pitching - by the back end of those contracts is pretty much 0%.
But as you said earlier Jack, as of right now, Sox pretty much need all of Gio, Cease, and Kopech to admirably fill the 1-3 spots in the rotation moving forward.
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1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said:
Ryu is the best pitcher, but I'd have a hard time going more than 2 years for him. His durability is a huge question.
Yeah, you hate Ryu. You've mentioned that. He's definitely not perfect - I too would prefer a 2 year deal - but that isn't going to happen.
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Just now, Moan4Yoan said:
Which FA starter do you want?
Ryu on a 3 year deal. Keuchel on a 3 year deal would be OK as well.
Really don't want to go to 4 years on either . While I prefer Ryu overall, I'd feel more comfortable going 4 on Keuchel because he's more durable and I feel he may be a bit cheaper. But I'd consider the 4th years for both depending on the AAV.
I'd be fine with pretty much any of Walker, Wood, McHugh, Gio, or Smyly for the last spot. Likely in that order.
Successful Plan B; What’s Next?
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Because he wanted to play in Arizona because his horses are there (seriously). He would have had to have been paid over $100M from one the CA teams to get a comparable take home pay from what he got from AZ.