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I'm guessing what Sox fans remain are so traumatized and frustrated that they are just trying to put this season and the recent ones out of their minds as much as possible.

August 19, 1930 - The White Sox sent $20,000 dollars along with outfielder Doug Taitt to the Cubs in return for minor league shortstop Luke Appling. The deal was engineered by the front office’s Milt Stock who was future Sox manager Eddie Stanky’s father-in-law. Appling would go on to have a Hall of Fame career with the Sox winning batting titles in 1936 and 1943. That season of 1936 would also find him driving in 128 RBI’s. His 20-year career would see him collect 2,749 hits. August 19, 1953 – Sox star left hander Billy Pierce’s run of almost 40 consecutive shutout innings ended at home against the Browns when former Sox outfielder and Pierce teammate, Don Lenhardt got an RBI double in the sixth inning of a game eventually the Sox lost 4-3 in 10 innings. Pierce’s streak started with a complete game shutout in Washington on August 3. He’d have three complete game shutouts in the streak along with two relief appearances covering almost eight innings. He’d have four wins and a save in the run. That year Billy went 18-12 with a 2.72 ERA. August 19, 1970 - The White Sox set the franchise record for most runs ever scored in the ninth inning of a game when they got 11 runs in Boston. Earlier in the year the Sox scored 22 runs at Fenway Park and on this day the 11 runs turned a loss into a 13-5 win for pitcher Wilbur Wood. The 11 runs were scored without the benefit of a single home run as 16 men batted in the inning.

Interesting take on Robert's comment about 'he's not a leader:' https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2023/8/18/23837763/chicago-white-sox-luis-robert-jr-yordan-alvarez-houston-astros-jose-abreu-leader-mvp And Tim Anderson met the media today and talked about it: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2023/8/18/23837857/white-sox-tim-anderson-i-have-to-be-better-i-will-be-better

By all accounts the name will remain the Chicago Bears (as well it should in my opinion). Doesn't bother me in the slightest that they are playing in the suburbs, it's all the same Chicago area just like the Giants and Jets still have the New York moniker (and they actually play in New Jersey...)

I was actually told by a source over the winter that Wintrust actually offered a better deal for the Sox then Guaranteed Rate but there were other factors involved including one involving a high ranking member of the front office and some "family" connections to that company. The other issue was Wintrust wanted the named changed back to Comiskey Park and JR did not like that one bit.

Even the Sox wouldn't be so stupid as to start mentioning this now. Not with what has been happening on and off the field since basically 2007.

I'd suggest both. The losing culture of the White Sox has developed for over a decade starting in 2007, it hasn't changed much. Players can feel it, sense it, now add in no rules and no real leadership and it snowballs. Losing begets losing and winning begets winning.

Agreed.

The other factors and don't think for a moment the Sox haven't already thought of this. A complete "rebuild" yet again turns the spotlight even more on the incompetent front office and admitting another rebuild is needed could cause what remains of the fan base to simply leave the sinking ship or not care anymore.

And before you ask according to DVS in the story the Sox are going to play a man short for the length of his suspension. Words fail me...all you can do is laugh. ? https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2023/8/17/23835674/white-sox-tim-anderson-to-begin-serving-suspension-friday Regarding that bizarre Sox "philosophy" on playing a man or two short this is what I was told over the winter for what it is worth: “The White Sox playing shorthanded started in 2007 when Jermaine Dye got hurt and Kenny Williams refused to call up Brian Anderson or Ryan Sweeney. Maybe they were cheap, maybe they wanted to protect Herm’s record of keeping guys off the DL.” (Author’s Note: Herm Schneider was the Sox longtime head trainer and for years the Sox were among the league leaders in keeping players healthy.) “Jake Peavy made the comment one time, ‘They have no reservations about playing shorthanded.”

August 17, 1985 – In a 12-7 win at Milwaukee, the White Sox Carlton Fisk tied the American League record when he was intentionally walked three times by Brewer pitchers. Fisk was given a free pass in the second, eighth and ninth innings of the game. Officially on the day he’d go 1 for 2 with two RBI’s. August 17, 1990 - In the second game of a double header at Texas, Carlton Fisk became baseball’s all-time home run leader by a catcher, as he nailed a Charlie Hough offering and drove it into the left center field seats. The Sox would win the game 4-2. Hough would become a teammate of Fisk in 1991. It was his 328th career shot as a backstop and also established himself as the White Sox all-time career home run champ. The team record would be passed by Frank Thomas. Fisk’s record for catchers would eventually be passed by Mike Piazza. August 17, 2000 - In a 5-3 loss to the Orioles Sox pitcher James Baldwin tied the big-league record by hitting four batters in the contest. Baldwin hit two batters in the third, one in the fifth and one in the sixth inning. He became the 15th pitcher to ever plunk four batters in a game. August 17, 2020 – Sometimes strange things happen on a baseball field. On August 12 in Detroit, Tim Anderson and Eloy Jimenez opened with home runs off the Tigers’ southpaw Matthew Boyd, and on this night at Guaranteed Rate Field, Anderson and Yoan Moncada accomplished the feat on consecutive pitches from Boyd in the first. According to Stats by STATS, the White Sox were the first team in Major League Baseball history to hit back-to-back home runs to lead off the game twice, off the same pitcher, in the same season. They’d go on to win the game 7-2.

Well for what it is worth, from what I was told over the winter from people who would know, if half of the things they said Brooks supposedly did are true it really is a terrible situation. I know Brooks he's always treated me well and I was stunned to be told some of these things, from Sox fest to the stadium naming right deal.

I didn't list 3rd base because no one is taking Moncada off the Sox hands. They are stuck with him.

Wonder what JR's reaction will be: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2023/8/16/23834748/white-sox-tough-team-to-watch-says-ken-harrelson-one-of-their-biggest-fans “Jerry is the most honorable person, and he’s honorable to a fault sometimes because of his loyalty. And there’s some changes that have to be made there, and whether or not he’ll make them, I don’t know.”

Bummer has been bad for more than just this season...naturally Hahn gave him a big contract. ?

Let's take the Sox front office at face value when they say they are going to be competitive next year. (That doesn't even mean by the way that they'll even have a winning record...) OK...to be "competitive" this is what they appear to need: Catcher 2nd base Right Field at least 2 starting pitchers 3 bullpen arms A closer Maybe a new shortstop Now how anybody thinks they can do this with a reduced payroll and a mediocre/poor farm system is beyond my limited intelligence. But that's what they are going to try to continue to sell the fan base...that and "hoping" things work out. Odds are really, really, really small of that happening.

Not for this season

Scorecard: Of the 16 games the Sox lost where they had a lead in the 7th inning or later here are the pitchers responsible (in some cases it was multiple pitchers in the inning where the lead was lost) Rick Hahn's 'genius" strikes again! ? Read em' and weep: Kelly 5 Graveman 3 1/2 Lopez 2 1/2 Santos 1 1/2 Banks 1 Diekman 1 Lynn 1 Scholters 1 Middleton 1/2

Santos fits right in with the other bullpen buffoons. ? 16th time this season...16, the Sox took a lead into the 7th inning or later and lost the game. 16 7th time they lost the lead in the 9th inning. Only in the world of the White Sox.

He seems to fit right in with the organization at all levels. A world of talent but can't stay on the field consistently.

August 16, 1927 - The Yankees “Babe” Ruth hit the first rooftop home run in Comiskey Park history when he blasted a shot off Tommy Thomas. The ball was estimated to have gone 474 feet. The Yankees won 8-1. Ruth’s home run came in the fifth inning and was a solo shot. Former White Sox manager Clarence “Pants” Rowland was the first base umpire in this game. August 16, 2011 - In an 8-7, 14 inning win over the Indians at U.S. Cellular Field, the White Sox hit five triples. That was the most in a single game since September 17, 1920 when they got six against the Yankees. Alejandro DeAza had two and Alexei Ramirez, Tyler Flowers and Alex Rios got the other three. The Sox won the game on a Juan Pierre single in the last of the 14th inning. August 16, 2017 – Sox outfielder Leury Garcia homered on the first pitch of the game at Dodger Stadium off Yu Darvish. It marked the second straight game, the Sox leadoff man homered on the game’s first delivery. The night before shortstop Tim Anderson did it off Alex Wood. It was the first time this ever happened in franchise history. August 16, 2020 – On this day the White Sox tied the Major League record by hitting four consecutive home runs. It came in the fifth inning at home against the Cardinals and pitcher Roel Ramirez. The four home runs were hit by Yoan Moncada, Yasmani Grandal, Jose Abreu and Eloy Jimenez. It was the second time in franchise history the White Sox had hit four straight homers. This feat last took place on August 14, 2008, against the Royals, when Jim Thome, Paul Konerko, Alexei Ramirez and Juan Uribe did the honors. The Sox would win the game 7-2. It marked the 10th time a team had hit four straight home runs in a game. It was also the first time in MLB history that three Cuban-born players (in this case Moncada, Grandal and Abreu) went back-to-back-to-back, or that four Latin-born players had homered consecutively.

"You can’t have good clubhouse chemistry with self-serving players like Lance Lynn, Joe Kelly and Kendall Graveman backstabbing their teammates along the way and pretending they weren’t part of the problem. If any of the current Sox pitchers still revere their former teammates, perhaps the clubhouse chemistry is doomed to fail again in ’24." - Paul Sullivan Chicago Tribune 8/16 Sounds like there is more to this situation than has become public

Joakim Soria, Alex Colome, Evan Marshall, Matt Foster, Codi Heuer, Anthony Swarzak and Tommy Kahnle come to mind.

Cubs fans, even kids, are all "class": "A young fan wearing a Cubs jersey in the first rows behind the on-deck circle showed Robert a finger and not his pinky. Robert took his index finger to his lips as if to silence him." DVS with the postgame story in the Sun-Times: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2023/8/15/23833948/spoiler-alert-struggling-white-sox-win-another-one-at-wrigley

Nice that this triple A team showed some pride and got a win. Now pulling for a Brewers win in L.A. Push the Cubs 4 1/2 back!