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Those are very nice uniforms but I must disagree, the Sox most successful era was the Golden Age 1951-1967 when they had 17 consecutive winning seasons, seven of those where they won 90+ games.

Correct the second level was a JR decision, he wanted the most luxury boxes as possible and ironically I don't think all the boxes have ever been sold out, maybe in 2006 but that's the only possible year I could think of. And according to the HOK architectural firm JR was offered the Camden Yards design before the Orioles seized upon it and he said no.

No real surprise though given the lack of overall talent on the big league roster.

So says ESPN's President: https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/jimmy-pitaro-mlb-rights-deal-update.html

A representative weighs in: https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/08/12/opinion-chicago-bears-leave-arlington-heights-property-tax/ "Every lawmaker in Springfield should look at this proposal and ask themselves how they will explain it back home."

Another pretty well pitched game but nothing on offense. 18 times now they've lost even though they held the winning club to three runs or less.

MLB and ESPN are back negotiating on a new baseball contract according to stories last week.

Wasn't it pouring rain during most of the day in St. Louis?

Hit: The stories directly quoted a number of state/area politicians saying they would not approve money given the circumstances to go to a new Bears stadium. The Tribune's Brad Briggs had a long column this morning recapping the Bears game Saturday and he had a part in it on the quickly called Friday press conference by McCaskey which he called a (direct quote) "lobbying effort." Among the things he wrote were this: Unanswered is what the Bears would potentially seek in the way of public aid for infrastructure improvements around the site to roads, sewers and more in order to pull off the move. Also unknown is how a potential move by the team would impact $525 million in remaining public debt from the 2003 renovation of Soldier Field.

I am looking at the big picture eventually the majority cost is going to filter down to the tax payers in some way shape or form. Let's not forgot they are still trying to pay off the Soldier Field renovations. We'll see what happens but given the state of the nation right now and the way things are going the politicians are going to have to make a very strong case somehow to convince an angry public to support giving benefits and millions of dollars to the McCaskey family and Reinsdorf both of whom already were given benefits totaling millions is sweetheart deals and leases. And from what has been published in the Sun-Times and the Tribune the majority of the politicians who have gone on the record, have said they are against giving them anything (not being willing to risk their own political future.) The Bears and Sox may either have to face reality and figure out a way to pay for everything or shut up, keep making their money, putting out garbage teams and remain in their current locations. Time will tell.

Yay they won.

More flotsam and jetsam.

There have been a number of documented reports over the decades that show the "jobs created" part of stadiums is a myth. it is short lived for the most part. How accurate those studies are, I don't know but there have been a number of them. It was even written about in the book, "The Big Show" by Dan Patrick and Keith Olbermann.

April 8, 1963 – On this date, one of the biggest ‘what if’s’ in franchise history took place. As per the rules at the time, the White Sox had to choose between two pitchers signed to “bonus baby” contracts. The rules stated that only one player signed to a deal for over a certain amount of money could remain in the organization. The other would have to be waived. With that in mind rookies Bruce Howard and Denny McLain squared off in an intra-squad game to see who would be released and who got promoted to Double A Lynchburg. Howard won 2-1. McLain got his walking papers and was claimed by Detroit the following week. He’d go on to win 131 big league games including 31 in 1968.

Incorrect, he did.

You missed Latman. The impact of those deals wasn't really felt until the mid 60's when the Sox with even one of those power hitters in the lineup may have won the pennant in 1964 and 1967. They tried very hard to get Callison back in 1962 and also made a better offer to the Reds for Frank Robinson than the Orioles did according to Eddie Stanky. On the day Hawk Harrelson was released by the A's, Ed Short called him in his hotel room in Baltimore and offered a flat 100,000 dollar contract. Take it or leave it. Hawk in his biography felt he was being rushed and wanted time to think. A few hours later the Red Sox called, flew down to meet him, offered 118,000 and he took it. They also made attempts to get Carl Yastrzemski who played at Notre Dame but things never worked out. And ironically Veeck first tried to get power hitters before the 1960 season in people like Orlando Cepeda and Bill White but was turned down. The people he brought in Minoso, Freese and Sievers actually carried the team. It was the mainstays...Aparicio, Fox, Landis, Wynn and Pierce who all had below average seasons.

Just curious...who has missed more time since they have been together. Beni or Robert? That may also factor in their thinking. I don't think Robert returning is assured although like I posted on deadline day, if they don't pick up his option how bad does that make Getz look? And how much of the decision was JR intruding yet again hanging Getz out to dry?

I'm not. I think its criminally stupid for state/county/city to bail out and help billionaires. The Bears and the Sox already got one stadium built on someone else's dime. I ask again when does the BS stop?

It's the mark of a bad team. When they score runs they can't pitch, when they pitch well they can't score. And they have issues on defense and with fundamentals constantly. Here's a mind blower, tonight was the 17th time the Sox lost a game despite holding an opponent to three runs or less. That's wasting some pretty good pitching at times.

On the 10 day IL although the story in the Sun-Times said he's going to be out for "several weeks."

It's just another way for the Bears to get something for nothing by asking the state/county/city to pay for all the upgrades and surrounding infrastructure isn't it? Great they aren't paying for the stadium construction per say but everyone else will pay for the roads, the sewers, the water, gas, electric that has to go around it. Sorry I'm being obtuse but they can pay for every single dime involving the stadium and surrounding upgrades if they want it completed. If not well, that's just to damn bad. Like others have posted they already got a deal on a stadium upgrade that still hasn't been paid off. Now they want more (like JR) it never ends does it?

Just wow.

I think there needs to be a partnership between a franchise and a geographical area ESPECIALLY if that area is giving a LOT of money to millionaires and billionaires. These teams aren't just a business but a public trust (Eddie Einhorn himself wrote that in the prologue of Rich Lindberg's White Sox encyclopedia). In return it's not unreasonable to expect the franchises to do the very best they can to put together a good organization and win. Now that doesn't mean getting to the World Series or the Super Bowl and win it every year, it doesn't mean making the playoffs every year but it DAMN well means better than: The White Sox having five winning seasons in the soon to be 19 years or The Bears having nine winning seasons in the last 33 years Or is that too obtuse for you? As far as the McCaskey's not having the money, fine, the team is valued at 8.8 billion, sell 50% for four billion there's your money friends and neighbors. Someone would happily pay that to own half of an iconic franchise.

We'll see if they are serious or not and if "cost over runs" which happen say "only" 95% of the time are picked up by them or they ask the state/city to 'help' them out. Sorry I don't trust the McCaskey's as far as I can throw them.

I agree it's common for other teams to get help. My attitude is completely shaped by the fact that the owners of Chicago's sports teams are basically incompetent and concerned more about profit than winning. being jaded is very well founded based on the won/loss records over an extended period of time for the Sox, Bears, Bulls and Hawks. Until that changes they'd not get a single solitary dime from me representing tax payers in the city/state. Regarding the Fire, I'm not a soccer fan, couldn't care one iota what they do or don't do.