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https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2...hdSK/story.html Chicago White Sox — More than one GM has said that White Sox GM Rick Hahn is open for business on just about his entire roster. That includes Chris Sale and the rest of the rotation, Jose Abreu, third baseman Todd Frazier, and closer David Robertson.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2016 -> 02:13 PM) Jays trade for Navarro. Or are you referring to AFL roster? If that is the case, no idea. Colton got added on oct. 2 to the desert dogs roster. I kinda forgot all about him since the trade.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 06:05 PM) Yeah I agree. MLBTR article said we'd want a package of Bradley/Devers/Rodriguez?? That would be a horrible return for Sale. Bradley is overrated and our FO's infatuation with getting him rather than Benintendi/Kopech/Groome type guys is puzzling. QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Oct 16, 2016 -> 11:25 PM) I think MLBTR was just naming pieces that they felt would be expendable for Boston, not naming the entire package, or one they feel is fair. If its the recent mlbtr article then its going off of nick carfardo article which i posted earlier. https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2...MCvK/story.html

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2...MCvK/story.html "Dave Dombrowski doesn’t strike me as the stand-pat type." Since the Red Sox already have a decent rotation, why not go for the luxury model — White Sox lefthander Chris Sale. If he’s in play, why wouldn’t the Red Sox make a trade bid? They inquired about him during the season and this time the White Sox might listen if the package is good enough. In talking to some of the White Sox pro scouting personnel, it’s obvious who they like and would want back from the Red Sox to make this blockbuster a reality. The White Sox have always coveted Jackie Bradley Jr., and they would also have to get an elite prospect back such as Yoan Moncada and/or Rafael Devers. The Red Sox could make a deal for the following reasons: Andrew Benintendi has impressed enough that if he could become Boston’s center fielder to replace Bradley, Devers would likely stay at third base. Moncada could always move to left field if he’s not part of the deal. The Red Sox may also have the option of using Shaw in left field to add another lefthanded bat to the lineup. A Sale, David Price, Rick Porcello, Eduardo Rodriguez, Steven Wright, Drew Pomeranz/Buchholz pool of starters would look pretty solid. The White Sox might even want Rodriguez in a deal with Bradley. If that’s the case, would you do it? Bradley is an interesting case. The Red Sox had to be concerned at the number of swing and misses he had the last few weeks of the season, and particularly in the playoff series against the Indians, during which he struck out seven times in 10 at-bats. It’s not that you judge a player based on just that, but the emergence of Benintendi gives you reason to consider whether Bradley is expendable. Then again, it’s difficult to find a center fielder with power (26 homers). When you think more deeply about it, it could be too heavy a price. To me i not high on jbj. Defensively hes good and got better but the post season swing and misses are alarming. The biggest turn off to me of him is the contract. Again trading 3 years of sale for 4 years of jbj and definitely hitting free agency cause hes a boras client doesn't seem like a good idea. Benintendi played well in his time with boston and was one of the more consistent hitters for them in the post-season. Give me a package of moncada, Benintendi, devers, kopech starting with and i would be happpy.

White Sox promote Joe McEwing to bench coach, confirm return of pitching coach Cooper, hitting coach Steverson https://t.co/EbY5brNt04 https://t.co/B6CaHmHogT https://twitter.com/670TheScore/status/786952292591398913

Both hitting instructors Todd Steverson and Greg Sparks will return to Sox coaching staff as well. https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/786950022902509568

Hahn spoke briefly about the playoff pitching struggles of certain teams possibly elevating interest in Chris Sale and/or Jose Quintana... https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/786610886840418304 Hahn: "People tend to perhaps overreact to small samples in October. But I'm guessing, based on how things have gone so far ... https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/786611045506781184 More Hahn: "... we expected a lot of calls heading into the offseason, and this probably only reinforces that idea." https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/786611093485461504

Im really not big on getting jackie Bradley jr. Yes he would plug a hole now but you are only talking 4 years of control. Hes a boras client and with him seeming to be turning the corner for better is definitely going to free agency and going to cost a pretty penny. If hes included in a deal for sale then you are probably getting less amount of prospects back. Also if hes included are we going to be talking about trading him again because the sox cant let him walk in free agency for nothing cause they cant sign him. To me i would rather be trying to get a package of moncada, Benintendi, devers, kopech as a starting point cause they will have far more control.

#Whitesox have outrighted right-hander Jacob Turner to Charlotte… 40-man roster goes to 39. https://twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/783754772511850496

According to MLB sources White Sox Executive VP of BB opts Ken Williams ,is not stepping down from the post.(Some reports had him leaving) https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/782660367738699776

Ventura stays consistent, says he'll wait until after final game today before discussing future. #WhiteSox https://twitter.com/scotgregor/status/782621693139423232

The #WhiteSox have one more meeting scheduled tonight with manager Robin Ventura, and unless Ventura changes his mind, he intends to resign. https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/782577304904097794

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 12:54 PM) Fowler also reportedly turned down more $ from the Sox and took less with the Cubs last year. I don't think he's a realistic option at anything short of $15M+ AAV for 3-4 years. Plus a draft pick.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 12:22 PM) I already laid it out in other threads but I will repeat again here. Here's the lineup that I believe is absolutely a contender. I have already stated that it will cost the White Sox an additional $15-20MM in payroll compared to this season but if JR is truly going for it then these are the types of moves required to make the next step. Projected lineup using their 2016 statistics: 1. Fowler CF (833 OPS, wRC+ 127) 2. Eaton RF (798 OPS, wRC+ 116) 3. Abreu 1B/DH (832 OPS, wRC+ 119) 4. Cabrera LF (780 OPS, wRC+ 107) 5. Frazier 3B (749 OPS, wRC+ 96) 6. Moreland DH/1B (763 OPS, wRC+ 97) 7. Wieters C (701 OPS, wRC+ 84) 8. Lawrie 2B (723 OPS, wRC+ 91) / Saladino 2B (731 OPS, wRC+ 93) 9. Anderson SS (729 OPS, wRC+ 92) You have 1 very good hitter, 2 good hitters, 1 slightly above average hitter, 2 average hitters, 2 slightly below average hitters, and 1 below average hitter. I see no reason why that is anything less than a league average offense. Combine that with 4 starters carrying an ERA under 4, including 2 guys just over 3, and all you need from the #5 starter is a mid to upper 4 ERA rather than the close to 8 they have gotten this season. I also expect a bullpen of Robertson, Jennings, Jones, Putnam, Petricka, Burdi, and ? via trade or FA to be improved from this season. Again fowler is not a guarantee free agent. How do you get 15-20 million. Fowler if becomes availabile would be about 10-15 by himself a year. Hes getting 8 now and would be 9 if he stays. Since hes upped his value and if he did become a free agent hes getting a nice chunk especially since boras is his agent. Weiters probably going to be 10 million ish. And again they will both probably cost a pick which the sox dont seem to want to give up. Moreland could be some nice change. Also we thought the sox bullpen would be improved this year especially with jones coming back full time but ended up blowing 9 games sofar. Bullpens are fickle and you can not guarantee they will be better next year. Cant buy your logic. Also moreland has put up 58 rbis sofar. The combined dh for the sox has put up 76 rbi's this year sofar. Moreland i believe would be a downgrade

Jose Abreu leads the Majors with 20 RBIs in 12 September games. https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/776092449534083072 Dating back to August 4, Abreu is slashing .382/.422/.658 with 12 homers and 38 RBI in 37 games https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/776092555394027521 In his 32 games prior to this stretch, Abreu slashed .274/.326/.339 with zero homers and nine RBIs all per MLB Network notes https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/776092672532615168

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 08:55 AM) A) your whole argument with SS2K is based on the notion that trading Sale will result in more wins next season which will lead to an increase in attendence so yes you did actually say it without saying it. If you don't think the Sox will win more games next season by trading Sale then why are you even arguing? B) of course you left out Fowler and I stand by my opinion that these 4 acquisitions plus an improved bullpen absolutely put the Sox in a position to compete next season. Already stated this before but the Sox are 7-20 when Ranaudo/Shields/Danks start. Give me an average starter in place of these dopes and that results in a 13-14 record in those games (not asking for much). Consequently, the team is 6 wins better with just that one move: 76-68 or 3 GB of the wild card. Again, that's just addressing 1 spot on the 25 man roster while leaving the rest untouched. Sorry man but your fowler, moreland, volquez, and wieters isn't turning the sox into contenders. Volquez has a 5.00+ era and puting up -.4 war this year. Sox would be better running out fulmer tho will probably have growing pains. Moreland isnt going to upgrade the lineup that much. Lets put him to comparison of Melky. Melky has a .292 avg, .343 obp .437 slg, .780 ops, 32 2b, 10 hrs, 71 rbi's, 114 ops+ and 1.8 war vs moreland .242 avg, .312 obp, .451 slg, .762 ops, 21 2b, 22 hrs, 58 rbi's, 98 ops+ and a 1.3 war for their 2016 stats sofar. So ya moreland will give you more homeruns and higher slugging. If the sox were to contend they need a better run producer then moreland. Hes pretty much a lesser version of dunn. Fowler isn't even guaranteed to be a free agent. Still has a mutual option with the cubs for next year. If he were to become a free agent i would imagine a qualifying offer being attached and sox weren't willing to give up a pick last year for him and dont imagine again this offseason. Being that hes a boras client i imagine the cost will be pretty high and sox dont cough up money. Wieters is again a boras client so I imagine boras trying to get as much out of him as possible money wise. He probably will have qualifying offer attached too and again sox didnt want to give up pick last and probably not this year. Plus again the sox dont cough up money. Also dont know how this going to be improved pen looks like. Petricka and Putnam arent going to put the sox over top especially not knowing how healthy they will be. Sox aren't going to throw money at chapman. The 2 biggest parts of the pen in jones and Robertson have blown 16 saves together of the 28 blowns saves from the entire pen that leads the majors. Thats 57% of the blown saves coming from you best options in the pen. Sox have some holes and being in one of the weakest free agent classes is not a good place to be in. Not much in minors to fill the gabs either at the majors or not alot of depth to trade

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/09/11/lev...with-white-sox/ The Red Sox sent executive Frank Wren to watch White Sox left-hander Chris Sale pitch against the Royals on Sunday

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/09/cafa...medium=facebook While the White Sox will listen to teams’ proposals for left-handed ace Chris Sale after the season, a deal seems unlikely. “The odds of getting what we feel we need to get are slim. That’s why I think Chris will be with us in 2017,” a White Sox source told Cafardo. That jibes with an earlier report from FanRag Sports’ Jon Heyman, who relayed that White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf doesn’t want to move Sale So if sale ends up staying will feel bad for him keep pitching in games like today cause someone wont pony up for better offensive players

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 04:04 PM) You didn't read. I wrote you choose between Q and Rodon not trade both. The question I have is does Rodon have enough value to fill a couple of holes on the roster vs trading Q who fills holes but creates a void as #2 starter. What balta is trying to say you probably need to move sale before the other two. Trade value is sale, Quintana and rodon. Also the most likely need to be moved is sale cause of his less control time. Rodon hasnt put up consistent numbers of sale or Quintana so his value isnt going to be as high. Tho Rodon will be a need to moved eventually cause hes a boras client and they generally dont sign contract extension before free agency. So keeping rodon and letting him get better and then trading him down the road is more ideal.

http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/inside-ba...st-two-seasons/ The White Sox never put Chris Sale or Jose Quintana through waivers, which shouldn’t be taken as evidence they have no interest in exploring trades for them. There was just no way, with those team-friendly contracts, that they could have made the right deals for them after being claimed. The White Sox will resume exploring trades for their two aces this winter, though as was reported here, their price tag is high and their owner Jerry Reinsdorf, never big on rebuilds, is now 80 and wants to win now or soon. The ChiSox talked the Red Sox, Rangers, Dodgers and others about at least Sale, but sources now say they knew by the last day or two their price of five prime prospects or young players would not be met, and Sale would stay …

Tim Anderson is 10th among shortstops with 7 Defensive Runs Saved and he's 12th in UZR. https://t.co/BEx5q8oYb1 https://twitter.com/CSNHayes/status/773909710701404161 http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-so...ive-improvement

http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-so...win-over-tigers Abreu attributes the improvement to motivation provided by first-ever visit of his son, Dariel, and a mechanical adjustment with his hands.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 6, 2016 -> 09:30 AM) The White Sox are 6th in all of MLB for IP by SP, and 3rd in the AL. greg's idea is 100% false. Sox were first last year in most innings pitched by starters. Not sure were greg's getting that starters aren't going deep into games

So since August 9 abreu is hitting .361, 400 obp and .588 slg. August 8th was an off day which abreu went to see his son in Miami.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Sep 4, 2016 -> 10:19 PM) Am I crazy, or has he been killing it since he saw his son in Miami? Maybe there's no correlation, but he was ice cold before and has been raking ever since. There was a post on Twitter i saw saying that hes pretty much been on a tear since he was able to see his son. Pretty damn good stats for the last month.