Tony

They don’t come close to winning this game under Flus, that’s the 2nd W this year that you can see the coaching had a lot to do with it

That’s a really tough way for the Cubs to go out. Steal the manager, pay him a ton of money and the Brewers are still better than you, by a decent margin. Pushed a lot of chips in for Tucker and not sure they even want him back, but his market will be super interesting. Will be a really interesting offseason for the Cubs, because they need a decent bit more to be considered a WS Contender

And when you can find where I said that, where you literally put it in quotes, please show me, because I’d love to see it. What I can actually quote is you saying “Milwaukee was better all season.” which isn’t a true statement in any way shape or form. Andrew Vaughn made a very significant impact in his arrival to the Brewers. It literally can’t be argued. I mean, I suppose it can, but we would call that person an idiot, and point and laugh at them. I, nor did others, say it was THE reason the Brewers won the division. Andrew Vaughn did not do that alone, and it’s a very good organization. But very simple numbers will show the sizable impact he had on their season, once he arrived in Wisconsin. But acting like the Brewers led the division wire to wire and the Cubs posed no threat is asinine, and not rooted in any sort of reality of what transpired in the NL Central.

It’s weird to be so confident in something objectively false, I mean there is simply no way to spin it. Andrew Vaughn was traded to the Brewers on June 13th, 2025. The Brewers were 38-33. The Cubs were 42-28. On July 13th, the Brewers were 56-40, they went 18-7 during that stretch. Over July, Vaughn slashed 365/426/731. Additionally, on June 13th, the Cubs were 2nd in baseball with a +104 run differential. The Brewers were 12th at +22. On July 13th the Brewers were 4th in baseball at +74, only behind the Tigers, Yankees and…Cubs, who led the league at +116 on July 13 So not only did Andrew Vaughn make a tremendously important impact for the Brewers, the Cubs were a better team than the Brewers in basically the entire 1st half.

It also is just totally different than when we grew up, and doesn't really matter if you're 40 years old today, or 70. Today, you could be living in Chicago as a 16 year old but have just as much access to the Padres as you do the White Sox. Doesn't really matter where you live. And as we've seen with other sports, kids are attracted to the stars, not always the team. I think it's less about being "born" into a fandom and more about watching what excites you, and that's certainly not happening on the South Side. Defalco has talked about this on ESPN 1000 before, his 13 year old, who plays baseball...they went to the Sox-Reds series specifically to see Elly, because his son likes watching him. And in 2025, it's just as easy to access Reds highlights as it is to see White Sox highlights, even if you live in Chicago. Different world.

Anecdotal, but I think most kids are watching clips on YouTube or Instagram, I really have a hard time believing most 16 year olds are watching a full game, just don't think the attention span is there. That's what I've heard/seen when it comes to that demo

Then stop whining about the “negativity” of the message board. If you couldn’t care less, then stop caring. Bro

And I would like to see better balance in the White Sox record over the last three years. 162-324 “balanced” enough for you? Because it isn’t for me.

What’s hilarious about this is you’re probably a little upset that I slapped you down pretty good yesterday after you made the claim that “There's a constant tone of negativity on this board and it's typically misguided/not rooted in anything factual.” Yet today, when I stated how sad the discussion is around the future of the Sox based on factual information about the last decade plus of the franchise, all you can do is make a joke(??) about…someone suffering from depression? Yikes

It’s hard to fathom how dumb MLB is. The last three days, during the week, there have been playoff games on during the day. Tonight, a Friday night, there are virtually no sports on and certainly not anything that would be better than Postseason Baseball. And the schedule is empty

Because they are so detached from my daily routine, I wouldn't really miss them if they left. Sure, there would be initial shock and disappointment, but it really wouldn't change much for me at this point.

What an absolutely depressing thread. While I don't think any of these are incredibly far off from reality, it just speaks to the hole the White Sox are in under current management. Based on what everyone has posted thus far, they are at best a 70 win team, which means they lose 90+ games next year. For the sake of discussion, say the 2027 actually is played...they're maybe a .500 team that showed improvement from 2026? So they'll have gone .500 or worse in 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026 and 2027. This is not even mentioning them going 35-25 in the COVID season, 93-69 in 2021...which was took SEVEN years to get to with below .500 baseball....all for 222 games of above average play that birthed zero playoff series wins. Put another way, from 2013-2027, there is a real chance for them to have two winning seasons over a 15 year stretch.

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REALLY? YOU DON'T SAY? I simply can't fathom why a White Sox message board would seemingly be more negative than positive after going 162-324 in the last three years. SOMEONE MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!

Gross.

Im going glass half full on this one. Winning on the road is not easy in the NFL, no matter the opponent. And winning in general hasn’t come easy to the Bears lately, so you take any W you can. They got a lot of s%*# to clean up, but a lot of guys need to get healthy too. Bye is coming at a great time for them. We’ve just seen too many of these games where the Bears are on the losing side of it. Feels good to be on the other side of one of them

I'd put it another way. "Losing is a choice" The White Sox, Pirates, A's...if you gave their owners a lie detector test and asked them if they wanted to win, I believe all would answer yes, and they'd be telling the truth. I think every owner wants to win. But in the case of the teams listed out...winning is not their main priority, and it's viewed as a "nice to have, not need to have" Being an owner of a professional sports franchise is an incredibly lucrative investment, no matter where you finish in the standings. That's the easy part. The hard part is the willingness to make capital investments in scouting, talent acquisition, player development, etc. And when you have 29 other teams trying hiring from a very similar pool of qualified candidates, it becomes challenging and often times expensive. Owners then have to make a choice. "Do I want to find the best candidate for the job? Do I want to invest X amount of millions in a Latin American complex? Do I want to outbid my rival on Free Agent X?" Those choices are everything, and unfortunately we know how Jerry chooses to answer them.

There is also a portion of posters here that live inside the Sox vacuum and don't compare the Sox to other franchises, they just weigh things against other Sox seasons. It's been beaten to death at this point, but it's why there are "optimistic" posters here talking about how much "progress" was made over the last year. And yes, the Sox won 17-18 more games than they did last season. A 17 game improvement off the season before, in a vacuum, is a great thing. But zooming out even slightly shows you that going from 41 wins to 58 wins really shouldn't be celebrated, and the team that made a 17 game improvement from last season is without question the worst team in the American League in 2025. Good chance the Sox don't win 60 games this year. The Twins need to win one more game to reach 70 wins, which would mean no other AL team will finish the year in the 60-69 win category, everyone at least won 70 games...while the Sox won't even reach 60. That's how far away they still are from the rest of the pack. I haven't even mentioned Jerry yet, and the restrictions he will place on payroll additions, along with the 2027 labor impasse. Again, anyone can fan the way they want to fan. You want to be "optimistic" about the future of the White Sox, knock yourself out. But if you're going to argue with me (or anyone) that people are being too negative, too pessimistic...that's where I have an issue. This is objectively the worst franchise in the American League, has been for quite some time, and there is no where near enough evidence to tell anyone that it's going to change anytime soon.

They also could have easily signed Chubb or Dobbins…was a total miss

After 3 games, Caleb is on pace for 4,051 yards and 40 TD’s lol. I had some strong reactions after seeing Caleb in Game 1 this season, but have to remind myself things are going to take time to develop. Not every week is going to look like this, but if you told me after Week 3, Caleb would be 7-1 TD/INT with 715 yards and 99 rushing yards…I’d be pretty happy

Seriously, just checked this thread again, would think it’s 31-14 Cowboys

So this has been a fun start…

I've watched like six innings of White Sox Baseball this year, so I really have no information on the actual broadcast, but this is especially true when this team is really bad. What value are you offering the viewer? The product on the field isn't, aside from sycophants. The viewer has been witness to A LOT of bad baseball over the last few years, so it can't just be a traditional broadcast that someone like the Brewers, Phillies, Dodgers can get away with. I'd run with it even more during this awful stretch of Sox baseball. I'd try and turn my broadcast into something pretty different, throw s%*# against the wall for a while to see what sticks. Especially when we live in the social age, something new and fresh on a broadcast will go viral, just as much as a HR call will. Huge missed opportunity there

This is like saying "what difference does it make to anyone if Martin Perez is pitching for the White Sox, or Garret Crochet? They both are pitchers who throw left handed." People are play-by-play announcers for a living, people are baseball players for a living. There are different levels of quality among them, which can often be the difference in them being great at their job, or...not so great.