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Others have said that's crazy so I'm not going to pile on too much, but I'll present it in a little different way. Adrian Houser has been incredible for the Sox, basically a 3 WAR pitcher in 9 starts. Can't deny what he's done. Removing those 9 starts (57 innings), Houser has pitched 608 ML innings, holds a career 4.21 ERA and has a total WAR of 2.7 in his career. So in 57 innings with the White Sox, he's put up a higher WAR than his previous 608 ML innings. So with that in mind, along with him being 32 years old and being on his third team in three years..doesn't the historical evidence tell you the odds of him keeping this up seem incredibly slim? Wouldn't this be buying on him at just his absolute high point? Do you expect Houser to get better than this? And how comfortable are you paying a 35 year old Adrian Houser 20 million in 2028? Adrian Houser, to me, given where this team is at in their "rebuild" is the most clear cut, obvious trade candidate that I can remember. All of the evidence says he's not the guy you make an investment in. It's incredible what he's done and I hope he keeps it up. And maybe he's fantastic the next few years, it's possible. But he's literally pitching at a HoF level right now, I would not be comfortable paying him at that level based on the totality of data we have on Adrian Houser.

If you scroll past this video title really quick, and don't stop and read it, it can be mistaken for "We will never see the playoffs again" 😂

You just used 889 words in a topic titled " How to Fix Shane Smith and Miguel Vargas" and your conclusion was: - Miguel Vargas: I don't know how to fix him - Shane Smith: Pitch less than he is, because he's been bad Just riveting stuff.

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I said all along they should have gotten creative. The Red Sox signed him to a six year, 170 million deal. The White Sox have very little salary committed to 2025, and that will most likely be the case in 2026. Pay Crochet 35 million 2025, 2026 and 2027. Ideally, in 2028, the White Sox would be putting the finishing touches on their core roster, and you've got Crochet making 21 million a season instead of 35, and he's still 28 years old. But again, the Sox would NEVER do that.

I think in any normal circumstances, the organization should have done everything in their power to keep him. He was 25 when they traded him, even in a rebuild, he's someone you should be building around. However, the White Sox don't conduct business in normal ways. I think Getz knew they weren't going to have the resources available to resign him, and my guess is Crochet didn't have much interest in being here long term. And as we sit here today, it looks like Getz did a good job in the return, but we'll see how the guys develop.

July 7th Update: Crochet - 3.5 season WAR, good for 8th place for WAR for pitchers in 2025 Smith - 0.6 WAR, good for.....way down the list. Don't think Shane Smith will be stealing any votes going from Crochet.

It's such a stupid rule. The All-Star Game should not be a participation trophy. The best of the best should be playing, not "everyone gets an invite!"

About the same amount of fans who bought tickets to see The Tim Elko Experience.

These are the type of posts that really convince me the "greg775" account has been parody this entire time, but if that's truly been the case, it would be one of the longest, most impressive bits in the history of the internet.

Math was never my strength, but even I can understand that volume wouldn’t have anything to do with this equation. Just because there may be more fastballs thrown doesn’t result in a higher MPH average in baseball. As others have mentioned, it’s a combination of guys getting stronger, ramping up their arms at 13-14 years old, offseason programs, etc. Again, even 20 years ago, Freddy Garcia wasn’t going to Driveline in the offseason to refine his craft. Sports performance has seen a dramatic rise over the last decade plus and we’re seeing the results of that on the field.

He's not pushing them over the top, but he could certainly help them. If they put him in the rotation, it allows them to move someone like Cade Horton or Colin Rea to the bullpen. But the Cubs bullpen has been pretty lights out the last few months, they need starters to eat up 5-6 innings and keep them in games for their bats.

1. Yes. 2. This isn't just about how fast they are throwing. It's about the volume of players doing it. For example, in this 2023 article by SI: 10-15 years ago, a guy hitting 100 MPH on the gun was still a rare occurrence. It doesn't feel that way in 2025, with as many players that do it now. And given that they've been using the same technology to track speed since 2007, there isn't really any dispute on the subject. Guys are throwing harder, and there are more of them than there ever has been.

When the White Sox won in 2005, Jon Garland was second in team WAR, only behind Buehrle. Don't remember a ton of stories about how much the Cubs helped the Sox win a world series. Take the best package available.

The day he goes, unless another Reinsdorf takes over, my outlook will dramatically change. If it's Ishbia, I'll come in with a hopeful view, because there isn't much historical evidence (at this point at least, I know with the way the possible ownership change is structured, we may find out about his potential spending habits before he's officially owner) and I just don't see how things can get worse under him, from where they are today. For a lot of us, Jerry Reinsdorf is the only owner we've experienced as White Sox fans. When he's gone, everything changes. Doesn't mean everything is going to get better, but the only way this franchise truly changes is by cutting off the head of the snake.

After reading comments the last two years, I think most here are basically on the same page, the difference comes down one thing: Faith The results speak for themselves. Because Jerry made Getz the choice to run things, a “clean slate” was never possible, because of his involvement with the previous regime. That shouldn’t have come as a surprise to Getz either. Additionally, while everyone involved with this team the last two decades should wear their failures, Jerry is the boss. Jerry is the one who kept Hahn and KW 10 years too long, Jerry is the one who refuses to sign top tier players, Jerry is the one who refuses to adapt to baseball in 2025, Jerry is the one who decided Getz was the most qualified the run baseball ops. It’s been bad decision after bad decision. So when it comes to the topic of the performance of Chris Getz as President of Baseball Ops, it boils down to what level of faith you have in the decision making of Jerry Reinsdorf. I’ve made my feelings known on the subject many times, but my faith in Jerry on a scale of 1-100 is about -8 right now. Doesn’t mean Getz is absolutely going to fail, but my level of skepticism is extremely high based on Jerry thinking he was qualified to do the job. From a baseball perspective, Jerry Reinsdorf is objectively an awful decision maker.

If my PbP record was 66-174, I'd probably be on the ledge too.

There is supposed to be an infusion of cash in the offseason, and Peggy K reported a few weeks ago she heard it WAS related to baseball ops...but that doesn't mean it has to be for free agents specifically. But while I believe the jury is still very much out on Getz...my hope would be a "real" owner treats this as "Tell me what you need to turn this around, we're going to spend what is needed so you have what you need to be successful." I haven't looked at the FA market this offseason, and don't even know if there are players that make sense for long-term investments from the Sox given how far away they are...but maybe we do start to see some slight changes in the offseason.

God it would be awesome if the prosecution was a rabid Sox fan, and just asked him a ton of questions about the state of the team, why did he hire La Russa, why hasn't he signed a player to a $100 million dollar contract, etc. 😂

I've been more than fine going to 1-2 Chicago Dogs games over the last few summers with the kids. Enjoyable experience, cheap, kids enjoy it. And it's super easy to get to living on the north shore. Sox would be barking up the wrong tree in Rosemont

I’m not making any judgments. Having the worst record in baseball since 2023 isn’t a judgment. It’s fact.

Listen, I'll admit part of me is envious of you. Your ability to detach from reality and live in a fantasy world is pretty impressive. You reference letting "history" cloud my judgement, as if I'm citing what the 1974 White Sox did has some baring on what's happening in 2025. I'll repeat myself for the folks in the back: Since the start of the 2023 season, the White Sox are 125-272. They have been the worst team in baseball over that stretch. We're still in that stretch. It's happening..right now. Lastly, you're on this crusade against those that are too negative, using phrases like "spare me your angry tears that blind you so much." I'm not going stop you from trying to sound like drunk Shakespeare, but it seems like you may be the angry one? I don't watch the White Sox. A few weeks ago I watched about 6 innings of a Shane Smith start, and it was the first game I had actually spent time watching. For the very limited time I spend around the White Sox, 95% of that is spent here. It's upsetting their poor management has led to my lack of interest, but I'll start to care more when ownership cares more. I'm not crying, I'm not angry. All I did was state objective fact to you. They have the second worst record in the league in 2025, and have been the worst team in baseball over the last 2.5 seasons.

I'm sorry, what now? Did you get a memo none of us got? The White Sox are 23-50, and have the second worst record in the sport, only behind the historically bad Rockies, who have the "privilege" of most likely dethroning the 2024 White Sox as the worst team in MLB history. Since the start of the 2023 season, the White Sox are 125-272. The Rockies are still 11 games ahead of the Sox over that time, at 136-261. This has been the worst stretch of White Sox baseball any of us have ever lived through, and that's saying something, given how mediocre this franchise has been historically. You have every right to be as "positive" as you want. Go nuts. But spare everyone the puzzled thought of "Gee, can't understand why people are down on the White Sox??"

I think it's much easier for a fan base to get upset with a player who is complaining to the media about a position switch...when they aren't performing. While I don't follow the Red Sox on a daily basis, from the outside looking in, it seems as though Devers was upset the franchise told him one thing and did another. I don't care how much it happens in other walks of life, it sucks when you're a baseball player or a plumber. The biggest thing, for me, is that while Devers may have not preferred to play DH and made that known...he started every game for the Red Sox this season, and is in the middle of having one of his best seasons. He may not have been thrilled with the position the team put him in, but he's gone to work everyday and performed. As a fan, that's what I want out of my franchise player.