CubKilla

I must have missed something. Who/When did Maggs lie?

Whatever. Look in the mirror dude. Is there anything wrong with the Sox and Bears in your eyes? Or do you just swear blind allegiance and fork over your money to JR and McCaskey like a little lamb?

I'm the one who got blasted for making a one game mistake. I'm not blasting anybody. And I'm not defending anyone, least of all the GB Packers. I just think alot of Bear fans, like alot of White Sox fans..... especially here and at WSI..... need a goddamn wake up call.

Yes. You'd probably be quite shocked at how and where they can get DNA from with the tests available to forensic researchers now-a-days. Thus the $450 million price tag.

Forgot about the bye. Just used to the Bears losing every week. Didn't know it was dirty pool around here to occasionally make a mistake..... by one game. But I'll just assume your perfect and never make any mistakes. Tool.

To answer your header topic..... low

If we had ownership that gave a damn then sure..... Cabrera, Renteria, Garciaparra..... would all be on top of the wish list. You need to wake up and realize that JR owns this team and not Steinbrenner. Vizquel is a perfect fit for a team that is as fiscally responsible as JR's White Sox who are managed by Ozzie Guillen. Vizquel would come fairly cheap (a + for JR) but can still play the type of baseball Ozzie wants to play (a + for Ozzie).

Probably with DNA testing I'm sure you could. But can you imagine the undertaking separating, as I said prior, human ash from debris and ash from the fires? Common sense people.

Building a park would probably cost a few million. Separating human ash from the other debris, according to this article, would cost $450 million.

I feel as bad for any family that lost a loved one(s) in the WTC or Pentagon as a result of the 09/11 terrorist attacks. Having said that, it's time for the victim's families of 09/11 to start using some common sense and move on..... as difficult as that may be. Separating dirt from ash from human ash is nearly impossible and the chemical tests that would need to be done on the debris to do so is probably where the $450 million price tag comes from. They have already been bestowed upon with millions of $$$ by the federal gov't..... most of the victims wouldn't have made as much as the federal gov't gave their surviving family members in their lifetime had they lived..... while the soldiers dying in Afghanistan/Iraq and their families receive what is tantamount to a pittance resulting from the deaths of their son or daughter who are fighting as a result of the 09/11 attacks. It's not fair and, eventually, a line needs to be drawn somewhere between whats good for the families and what is good for everyone else.

Another Organization I follow tells me the same thing..... year in and year out

Long-term Vizquel is not. A one year contract with a 2nd year option? Couldn't hurt. Omar would be, as previously stated by SEAL, a significant improvement and more conducive to "OzzieBall"..... whatever the hell that really is.

I remember that

Only losers blame injuries. Doesn't matter if you lose by 1 or 50..... a loss is a loss Good thing Lovie won his personal "LovieBowl" against a garbage GB team or the Bears would be 0-5.

True. Most people picked Minnesota

Ok :rolly

1W and 4L's is "rosey"? Oh..... I get it..... Lovie to the Bears is gonna be like Ozzie to the White Sox :rolly . Wanna bet the GB Packers make it back to the playoffs before the Bears do? And don't get hoodwinked if the Bears actually win a game or two in the following weeks against powerhouse SF, TB, and WA. Those teams might actually be worse than the Bears.

But they're just as bad as the Bears

McCarver is garbage but he did have the best baseball quote of the year in regards to ShamME. After ShamME K'd 4 times in a game against the Mets down-the-stretch, he meekly grounded into an inning-ending 6-4-3 DP. McCarver joked afterwards, "Where's the strike out when you need it?" Joe Morgan is the worst though. He was really sucking up to Sosa earlier in the season during and ESPN Sunday Night game against St. Louis. Talked about Sosa's defense as "another facet of Sammy's game that people pay little or no attention too." Called Sammy one of the, "..... classiest players in the game" during this years HR Derby and said Sammy doesn't have to participate in the HR Derby but that he does it, "..... for the fans. Sammy's..... all about the fans." Made me wanna :puke

Exactly. Any self-respecting Sox fan who thinks the White Sox will be big name players for Beltran ought to check themselves into a psychiatric ward. Ain't gonna happen!!!!!

The advance scouting aspect comes from the White Sox recent inability to hit AA or AAA pitchers out of the IF until the 6th or 7th inning. A line-up of Frank Thomas, Maggs (when both were healthy), and Konerko et al are usually consistently aced by pitchers that have been shelled if they've pitched in the big leagues before facing the White Sox. If the White Sox are their first ML team faced, most of the time, they look unhittable and destined for ML success until they face a powerhouse like Toronto, Baltimore, KC, or Tampa Bay. Why did this happen in 2002 and 2003? Some have suggested and I agree that there is a flaw somewhere within the scouting system. How else are you able to explain Detroit in 2003 throwing scrub after scrub at the White Sox and beating the White Sox 1-0 while the Sox commonly have no problem creating scoring chances against the likes of Pedro Martinez, Curt Schilling, Roger Clemens, Mark Prior, etc. Of course, scouting plays a huge part in which prospects the White Sox draft. Over the past 2 seasons, the Sox haven't had a 5th starter called up from the minor leagues that has been able to do diddly-squat on a consistent basis against ML teams but are as close to lights-out in whichever minor league class they were recently pitching in. Of course, it probably doesn't help matters that KW brings a guy up for one start then sends him back and, 5 days later, is calling up another prospect to try his hand at the 5th starter's role. Even the prospects KW has traded away for Everett and Alomar Jr. TWICE haven't done much since being called up by their new teams. White Sox Scouting..... the best scouting JR's $$$ can buy :puke

My assessment of Crede is based on two things..... 1.) potential, and 2.) what I know about this Organization in regards to what the White Sox Organization sells to the fans as minor leaguers w/potential recently. Crede, Borchard, Garland, etc. were sold to Sox fans as minor leaguers w/huge potential. Crede was supposed to be the next Robin Ventura. Jon Garland was supposed to be the White Sox's next perennial Cy Young candidate. Joe Borchard was compared to, by some in certain circles, as the next Mickey Mantle. Sox fans have been sold the minor league "potential" line of BS because JR is too goddamn cheap to even attempt to acquire proven ML talent unless it involves a trade and/or the trade partner picking up a sizable portion of the tradee's salary in the recent past. After taking in "potential" I then move to number 2..... what I know of this Organization. I know for instance that our advance scouting sucks monkey nuts. I also know that, when push comes to shove, JR will put $$$ before a WS Championship in every circumstance. I then realize that a team like Seattle..... who until this season was a playoff contender for years..... passed on scraps like Borchard and Crede OR KW refused to part with the aforementioned because he sees "potential". The same KW that traded for Todd Ritchie and the same KW that traded Foulke for Koch etc (no need to rehash KW's shortcomings as GM). Then take Seattle's recent success and compare it to the Sox and there's no contest. I then take 1+2 and come to a conclusion that has, up to this point, been foolproof. Crede..... Robin Ventura potential+2 years in the ML's with a Judy..... Sold to Sox fans as the second coming+almost 4 complete years of complete mediocrity= a .500 lifetime pitcher that is no better than a 4 or 5 on most ML teams. Borchard..... the juries still out but damn..... I bet my formula ain't far off come 2006-2007 if he's even still with the team by that time. This Organization needs an enema from top to bottom before things change for the better on the Southside of Chicago. My formula is far from scientific but you can book no significant changes in Joe Crede come 2005. But maybe he'll catch on fire in the second half :rolly .

KW putting Joe Crede and Adrian Beltre in the same sentence is proof 1,375,869 that KW has got to go. Joe Crede putting up MVP caliber numbers..... hell, decent numbers offesively..... ain't gonna happen.

Nope..... although it's hard to forget the annual figurative ass-reaming at the hands of this Organization over the past 20+ seasons.

I thought the same thing till Hawk started his, "..... this is a good thing for the future of the Organization..... we reloaded the minors with quality prospects..... that will bring us many years of sustained winning baseball and keep us in future playoff contention..... " blah, blAH, BLAH!!!!!