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My assessment on this offseason is dependent on who they get for the rotation. My preference is to spend $$ and not assets to get that starting pitcher(s)

If I remember correctly, Carson was looking pretty good when he came back last year, then he got hurt trying to hustle out a single in extra innings that one game. But then he didn't look good again when he came back from that. I still have hope he can help us in the pen.

I'll second that opinion.

I wholeheartedly agree with the premise of this thread. This offseason needed to be about pitching, pitching, pitching. Screw the Red Sox if they want to get assets back to dump a contract that they agreed to. If they want to get bailed out of a contract, I do not want the White Sox giving them any of our top prospects. Go spend some $$ on the remaining free agent pitchers before they are gone. Relatively short term deals are not going to hurt this rebuild...trading significant assets to get an expensive contract for an aging pitcher might.

I blame all of this Bullshit on Rick Hahn. Every team in major league baseball thinks they can dump their bad contracts and expect a Tatis Jr in return. If you sign a bad contract, you should feel some pain when you are looking to unload it.

If someone else gives in there is nothing we can do about that...I am just concerned that Hahn will give away the farm (quite literally) just to get something done. I keep coming back to...for crying out loud, just spend the $$ on free agent pitching. Ryu & Keuchel are still out there.

I am trying to give up as little of our talent as possible. If you are looking for Price + established player(s) I shudder to think what Hahn will give up.

Bryan Mata is their #3 prospect according to Pipeline and a pitcher. If they want to ask for our top prospects...2 can play that game.

Fair assessment...I hope they are right and Mazara will work out well with the pro-Latin culture on the Sox and a new hitting coach. I would 200% rather Mazara succeed here than be able to say I told you so (which I would not anyways because what is the point).

Coming from one of the few guy on this board who liked Steele Walker and someone who still hates that trade...yes I guess they are smarter and better informed than me. Of course that won't stop me from giving my uninformed opinions ?

I always like when I am on the same side of the argument as you, Lillian...you are always so level headed.

I would be happy with your Even If scenario at this time.

If too many other teams are involved and are willing to play ball with the Wrong Sox, let them give up their talent. In that case, Hahn needs to go out and sign some damn free agent pitching. David Price is not anywhere close to being a sure fire good thing if we were to get him.

Hahn is reminding me of a bad hitter who is up with the bases loaded and nobody out. He has all the advantages yet he approaches the at bat like the pitcher is the one in command of the situation. The Red Sox need to get some financial flexibility and we can provide that but we do not have to. We have the upper hand, do not give up anything of value IMHO.

One man's patience is another man's "what the fuck, will you get off your ass and spend that fucking $$ that you said was going to be spent."

I agree about just taking on the contract if we want Price and they want prospects. They are the ones trying to shed payroll. They can pound sand if they want us to take the "bad" contract and give them prospects.

Haha, that is who I thought of too.

So if the conversation about whether they should do a trade or not was about Price, did Rick/Kenny think that they could just think it over for awhile and the Red Sox were not going to shop him elsewhere?

So who are the free agent pitchers we can do this all over with again next off season?

Oh, no, not again.

Quick, when he is not looking, someone sneak in and take Rick's chair away from that table.

Your 2020 Chicago White Sox... "Getting closer to being ready to win"

Haha....awesome memory...thanks!!

I know that he just does his job and is quite good at it, but I still can't stand Scott Boras.

Now, Now. I fully expect Sale to sign a 1 day contract at the end of his career to retire a Pale Hose....those lifetime White Sox ambassador positions are gold for retirees.