CB2.0

lol YOU started all this s*** and yet can't produce a line showing anything. BOX SCORE OF SHIELDS SHOWING IP MORE THAN 5.0 AGAINST RED SOX. Thanks.

Bottom line is whether they're a few under or right at 81 wins...It's not enough. I hate that Shields trade more and more every day. We needed a bat EVERY DAY....NOT A 34 y/o 1 out of 5 who we can argue over...did he go over a "+" inning in a loss? And he's $22M for 2 more f***ing years. Clownshoes.

Well - Gonzalez was great. 7 IP. 2 ER. Exceptional, actually...for a #5. Team has to hit.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 30, 2016 -> 08:16 PM) /thread No, it's not. I never said "+". I said "more than 5" as in...a recorded line in a box score such as Jose Abreu suggested. CAN YOU LINK A BOX SCORE THAT SHOWS ANYTHING ABOVE 5.0 FOR SHIELDS IN THAT GAME AGAINST BOSTON? CAN YOU????? NO??? /thread.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 07:53 PM) EAT THE HAT "Used" to be be my guy. Now: NOT. Thanks alot!

Sorry guys - I set my ceiling expectation at 5 IP and that's what s***ty Shields hit. No getting around it. I'm GLD (Tex) it wasn't 1.2 for 7 runs, but....it was wasn't more than 5 IP. Not sure where this "5 + plus" came from. I said he wouldn't record more than 5 in a discussion about a stat line: 5 IP. He didn't. What else do you want me to do? I realize many are pissed about my comments in the Liberals thread but... ..is what it is. We're talking baseball here (supposedly).

Awesome game. Despite the terrible balk call, still hung in and didn't hang it up. And Robertson - what can you say. That's what a real closer does. Just a great win and fun game to watch. Great night! *And I'm not banned!!

QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 10:38 AM) So you are saying you expected him to be pitching in the 6th inning and not getting any outs? Either way, would you agree he pitched better than you expected? No, I meant exactly what I said. That a line of 7 IP would be a miracle, and more than 5 IP would be "better than expected" (to the degree that I would "eat my hat"). In the end, he met expectations.

Well - I'm sorry you feel it confrontational for me to defend my position and what I actually said. That's not what I'm intending to do. I didn't dig up my own quote from 2 days ago and say, "Look at me....I was right!" That would be confrontational. Instead somebody else did that, they were wrong, and I'm just sticking up for myself.

*Turtle + *Note - First time I even typed "+".

Look - this was the quote I responded to: QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 11:07 PM) You heard it here first- James Shields' line tomorrow: W, 7 IP, 2 ER, 2 R, 7 K, 6 H, 3 BB, strikes on 68 of 103 pitches He predicted A STAT LINE OF 7 IP. When I said I'd eat my hat if he goes "more than 5", I'm referring to the above STAT LINE. Check the tape - I even quoted it in my post HERE. You guys want to move the goal posts and argue that walking 2 batters in the 6th and getting pulled constitutes some measure of more than 5 IP, that's YOUR misinterpretation of my response. Unless you can show me something that shows more than 5 IP, arguing otherwise is DEAD WRONG.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 09:05 AM) 5+ IP is 5 getting to the sixth, no outs. Otherwise it would be 5.1 IP or 5.2 IP Nobody says 5+ because he walked 2 people in the next inning and got the hook. SMH Pull up James Shields's stats...or any pitcher for that matter. Please point out the "+" innings column where he threw pitches and didn't record any outs.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 08:45 AM) Anyone on the roster, any position, anybody going to be playing better next week? Clearly now you are just trying to bait me. I gave you an honest response to your last question; we both know what you're trying to accomplish with this one.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 08:41 AM) I mean, am i really reading an argument about the validity of a bet(and the qualifications of said bet) that ends in someone eating a hat? message boards ftw now and forever. CB2.0 wouldnt have eaten the hat anyways Thank you! I mean, SS2K5 digs up something I said 2 days ago (which was said in jest, really) tries to INCORRECTLY hamstring me with it, and I'm supposed to just take it?

QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 08:33 AM) Stats or common speech? It really doesn't matter. We all know Shields did slightly better than you expected. You are correct that he hasn't been the inning eater from the start that we expected. Since you are doing so well predicting performances are there any players who you think will be doing better over the next two weeks? Or can you only predict players doing poorly? I don't know if we have anybody that can fill that spot better, no. My problem with Shields from the beginning was that I didn't feel it was a deal we needed to do with lack of LH hitting, OF woes, C, RP injuries, and at the time...SS. So I guess in a way, you can say my prediction was that Latos/Danks would be at least as good (bad) as Shields. Ranaudo seems to be doing decently so far...maybe a few more starts under his belt and he can get a look.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 08:37 AM) The very definition of 5 + in baseball is that he went 5 innings and faced batters in the next inning without recording an out. No. The very definition of an "inning" is the recording of 3 outs. That he threw pitches in an inning and didn't record ANY outs (in fact - all he did was walk two people) does NOT constitute any measure of "+" innings. It's astounding you can't grasp this. A pitcher's job is to record outs while allowing a minimal of runs to score. That's all ANY pitchers job is. Shields recorded 15 outs - that's 5 INNINGS. No more, no less. That is how the game works.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 08:07 AM) It doesn't matter if they counted as official ABs. If he pitches to one batter in the 6th every commentator and every fan who has even half an idea what they are talking about would say that Shields went 5+ innings, which is more than 5. You are wrong here and in pretty much every other post you ever make. NOBODY would say he went 5+ when he didn't record an out!!! Clearly you don't have the first clue how baseball works. There is not one person who understands how to score a game that would agree with you. You want to talk about being wrong in posts - you are wearing the crown right now.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 08:11 AM) If that is the case then using the same logic Albers didn't pitch in this game because his stat line shows 0 IP. The box score for this clearly states that James Shields pitched 5 innings with the additional statement "J Shields faced 2 batters in the 6th inning". Meaning he pitched more than 5 innings. You can try and rationalize all you want - the stat line doesn't lie. 5.0 IP. And any dips*** can come in a walk 2 people in a row. That's a weak line of argument to try and give him any sort of "productive" credit for that.

The larger point, is that SS2k5 has argued that the Shields trade will save wear on tear on the bullpen because "innings eater". Clearly, that is far from the case. Since he's been with the Sox: 6/8 Putnam Jennings Duke Jones Robertson Albers Shuck (lol) Bullpen IP: 7 6/13 Danish Jennings Albers Jones Robertson Duke *Bullpen IP: 7 (3 Extra Innings in Game) 6/18 Purke Albers Duke Ynoa Bullpen IP: 6.1 6/23 Albers Jennings Beck Jones Robertson Purke *Bullpen IP: 4.1 (1 Extra Inning) 4 Games - 24.2 IP from the Bullpen and I count 22 relief pitcher appearances and 1 position player. Ate $15M of Danks (who never pitched LESS than 5 in any of his 4 starts), ate another $3M on Latos, paying Shields $5M this year, plus another $22M for 2 years (which we were NOT on the hook for with either Danks/Latos)... There's really no arguing that this signing has the hallmarks of disaster written all over it. Turned a crappy, $15M #5 into an even crappier $23M #5 who you're stuck with for 2 more years. And although yesterday was a better appearance, he certainly looks "done" to me. He doubled his pitch count in the last inning and 2/3rd vs his first 3 1/3, velocity dropped, control went to s***, and that slider is hot garbage. I don't think he threw it for a strike once and certainly nobody was chasing it. I hope he gets moved to mop up for blow-out game duty because he sure isn't helping this team in any way.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 05:27 PM) Technically, he pitched to 2 batters in the 6th, so he went 5+. Mmm, hat. Technically, he WALKED 2 batters in the 6th which means they don't even count as ABs. Nope.

QUOTE (CB2.0 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 10:12 PM) lol. That would be a miracle. If he goes more than 5, I'll eat my hat. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 05:19 PM) Mmmm, hat. Nope.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 23, 2016 -> 04:49 AM) I'm pretty sure he means the number of runs scored probability is higher with hitting away at runners at 1st and 2nd no outs (three hitters swinging away), than with 1 out and runners at 2nd and 3rd. Right. I'll see if I can find a link to that write up. I want to say it was from 2012 or 13 and they took an entire season with all teams as a sample to crunch the data.

QUOTE (Special K @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 11:47 PM) This sounds great in theory but you need to look at who's hitting. If you have a team that strikes out a lot, and you can't hit (aka the Sox), bunting makes sense. It's all context. Sox can't bunt either.

He better. For his sake. 5 IP and no more than 3 ER. Can't afford this 2 innings and out down by 6. This should be his last chance at starting (quite frankly - I wouldn't even give him another after 3 and a 23+ ERA).

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jun 22, 2016 -> 06:19 PM) Bunts are good in certain situations. With a base stealer on 1st, I'd much rather just have the guy try and steal 2nd. Let's say a guy has 75% success rate stealing, that's higher odds than a bunt. Then, you could always bunt him over to third where anything other than a strikeout or popout likely scores him. A base stealer should just...steal bases. What does bunting have to do with it? And scoring from 3rd with outs is statisically harder than scoring from 1st or 2nd in EVERY SITUATION. Fact.