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No way I would trade Sale or Quintana. I might trade Fulmer after seeing hm pitch in the few games he has been in. Not sure why he needs all the French pastry in his wind-up but maybe that is detracting from his body control and consistency in locating pitches. The Sox put up the white flag for this season, but April 2017 is a long way off in baseball terms. A lot can be done to improve the team between now and then including changing the Manager and coaching staff. There may be some less obvious opportunities for a trade out there. The Nationals need an outfielder and bullpen help. I'd offer Melky and Duke (or Robertson) for Trea Turner.

Any interview with Sox hater Dan Bernstein is going to have a lot of negativity toward the White Sox. Stone and Benetti are terribly annoying so among the changes, they both need to go.

It has been pretty clear for a while that Robertson no longer has Closer stuff, at least since Robertson allowed 6 out of 7 runs in the ninth to blow a 7 run lead and lose to the Royals at the end of May. Just like he did in that game , Ventura sat and watched Robertson implode instead of getting him out of there, or going out to the mound himself to calm him down and perhaps mpart some useful information...like how to pitch guys. Robertson vs. Adam Lind had disaster written all over it. It was like you knew it was going to happen. The season is not over, but someone has to take responsibility for things to chanage. Demote Robertson from Closer status or trade him and re-assign Ventura to West coach scout.

Cub fans are just dying to see the Sox "blow it up" and become bottom dwellers for the forseeable future. Admit it if that is what you want to see. The fact is that not every team that fails to make the playoffs is going to blow it up, try to get the highest Draft pick by having the worst record in baseball, and hope a budding star is available with that high pick that will turn the whole franchise around. The suggestion to trade Sale is a non-starter. He is a franchise player which means his value supersedes hos value on the field. His name is on countless fans jerseys and he has become synonymous with the White Sox. He ain't goin' nowhere. And neither is Quintana, Rodon Fulmer or Nate Jones. The pitching core stays for stability of the team and the franchise.

QUOTE (Doc Edwards Shot @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 09:49 AM) There has to be something viable to replace Frazier if we trade him. Matt Davidson

I don't know exactly this works. Do you announce to the rest of the league that certain players are available or just wait for the phone to ring? If it is the former then publish this list: - Available to the highest bidder Robertson Duke Frazier Lawrie Shields Avi Garcia Shuck AJax Melky Navarro Avila Abreu Anderson (yes, I'd offer him up right now while his value is sky high) Don't trade any pitchers other than Duke, Robertson and Shields.

I don't know why Turner is starting today instead of Sale since the decision on whether or not to acquire talent and make a run, or in the alternative, to sit back, try to trade veterans, shed salary and get prospects, hinges on how the Sox perform during the next 10 days or so. Losing to the Braves twice and the Angels (at least) twice, two of the worst teams in baseball, has already set a negative tone. The only thing that will make this season worse is losing 3 or 4 to the Cubs, and that 4 game home/away series is right around the corner. If we get swept by the Cubs will that finally earn Ventura a ticket out of town? As many others have pointed out, there was a bad game plan by our offense against a sinker ball pitcher yesterday. Then there was a failure to make any adjustments during the course of the game. That should not be surprising though since that seems to be the norm in major league baseball

Too much is made about "making the playoffs." I would much rather not make the playoffs than get in as a wold card and lose the elimination game, or make the playoffs and get swept and humiliated in four games by the Mets.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 15, 2016 -> 08:37 PM) I'm not convinced Fulmer will be any better than Gonzalez next year. That doesn't help us improve the team with what little chance this team has to actually make the playoffs in the next few years. The only way the Sox will need Fulmer is if Shields opts out. Fulmer has better "stuff" than Gonzo from his 94 -95 mph fastball with movement to his curve and slider. Fulmer has core strength, endurance , and tenacity. He has demonstrated humility and is eager to accept advice from veterans and suggestions from coaches. Fulmer's aggressive mound presence may be more suitable as a reliever right now but he can learn to dial that back in order to be a starter. Having said that, there is no reason to doubt Fulmer. Instead, Sox fans should be excited to see him break into the majors to help in the bullpen. Or would you rather see the corpulent Matt Albers as the first man out of the bullpen for the rest of this season?

Trading Robertson and Frazier at one tme would be great. The Sox might do better off just trading Robertson right now, Then bring up Burdi and Fulmer .

Yea, Robertson isn't that good, but the Cubs could use him in their shoddy bullpen. I'd trade Robertson for Schwarber hoping he can DH and platoon at first base next year.

I think a Manager should protect his starters by pulling them out when they are struggling and give up a lot of runs in early innings or when they are getting whacked for multiple home runs. Pitchers need to have confidence and allowing them to get taken apart and riddled like Sale was is not a good idea.,,,,especially when it against former team mates and a shiddy team like the Braves.

Yes. Nieto was worthless as it turned out. I don't un derstand wht he is even being mentioned. But anyway, I prefer Navarro's bat in the order to Avila's, any day, and especially in the clutch. What was our W/L record last time Avila went on the DL?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2016 -> 10:41 PM) Rodon seems to have hit a wall. Fulmer has struggled for major stretches. Adams' velocity is down significantly, as are his strikeouts. Not too many top/middle of rotations starting pitchers in the majors at age 23. Rodon has been up and down but he has not "hit a wall" as though he cannot get better or is limited in his ability. Any evaluation of Fulmer at this point is premature. Adams is just a 20 year old kid. Not sure what point you are trying to make by lumping these different pitchers together.

Sox hitters were way too aggressive . Too many guys were swinging at pitches well out of the zone. Avi Garcia, Shuck and Jason Coats in the same line-up is almost going guarantee a loss. That is minor league level talent. Austin Jackson's injury really hurt this team. Time to cringe during the first inning of the next Shields start.

Letting Avi Garcia bat in the bottom of the 6th with men on first and third, one out, was managerial malpractice. Mr. GIDP .

Blow it up for the benefit of whom? The Cubs? It's never gonna happen. Dream on.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 18, 2016 -> 10:50 PM) If you're going to rebuild, you trade Sale, Quintana, and Abreu. Trade the best players with them most favorable contracts? Uh, no.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Jun 14, 2016 -> 12:25 AM) Was at the game tonight..what an amazing game to go to!!!This team doesn't give up. Nice. Thank you for posting that!

Lots of positives and negatives all in one game. The worst? Shields. Godawful for the second straight start. Many positives including clutch at-bats by Melky, Avi Garcia, Abreu, Eaton, and Shuck.. Tim Anderson had some nice plays at short, a good bunt, and showed tremendous speed on the bases. Our bullpen held up on a long, long night...something that has not been the case for the last few weeks. It would be nice to get a win later today to guarantee a series win. Nice job by Renteria in place of Ventura. Maybe Jerry Reinsdorf saw that or will be told about it. My favorite shot of fans in the stands was as a little kid with a Cubs hat getting all upset when the Tigers couldn't score in the 11th. Cub fans bring their kids to root against the White Sox? WTH?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 12, 2016 -> 04:24 PM) Can we stop with the stupid relocating theories? It's utter f***ing nonsense. Baseball is looking to expand and has at least two franchises with legit cases to relocate. The Sox aren't going anywhere until their sweetheart lease deal ends in the very distant future and when it does they'll likely move to the suburbs or lakefront. They aren't leaving the Chicago metropolitan area. Well said but cubz fans and at least one guy trying to inject his politics like to troll with that nonsense.

QUOTE (SpankyEaton @ Jun 12, 2016 -> 03:57 PM) I am hoping for new ownership and organizational change, but I hope that doesn't come with a move. A move? LOL. That's never going to happen, but it is a cubz fan's wet dream. This may be the end of our season in terms of competitiveness, but it isn't the end of the world. Put Saladino back as starting shortstop, look for an outfielder or two and some bullpen help. Hurry Burdi.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 11, 2016 -> 08:53 PM) 31,183 in attendance. Not the greatest weekend, +30K performance (seems that's the norm more often than not the last 5 years). There is no point belaboring the attendance figures. That is not going to change for a variety of reasons many of which go beyond the performance of the team or the popularity of the team in the Chicago area.

I would not sign Braun because of PEDS, lying about PEDS, and the possibility that he uses again. Zach Collins may have eliminated the need for a long term solution at catcher so I would not bother with Lucroy. Realistically there may just be too many holes to fill this season considering the talent that is or will become available in the market, the budget for player contracts, and a shallow pool of minor league talent to draw from. It may well be time to start looking toward next season.