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Most baseball analysts seem to think that the White Sox fleeced the Nationals for Eaton. That is not necessarily the case for a variety of reasons. First, Eaton is very underrated as a defensive player, as a lead-off man, a base runner, and as a clutch hitter with power. He really started to flourish as a defensive player last season. Second, the Nationals are unlikely to sign Bryce Harper when he hits free agency, so they are now insured that RF will be manned by Eaton . Third, Giolito is not a sure thing as was demonstrated when he came up to the major league level last season. Quintana is likewise one of the more underrated players in baseball. Anyone who has watched the White Sox over the past few years has seen Quintana battle and keep the White Sox in games despite the lack of run support. Quintana is consistent, durable and he is signed for four years in a team friendly contract. The Sox should hold on to Quintana unless they are bowled over with an offer. Wait to trade Quintana until the trade deadline to maximize return.

Out of 8 position players we have two young players, Moncada and Tim Anderson, to build around, and possibly a third Zack Collins,, that could grow into a future core of star players in their early/mid-twenties around the same time. Unless and until that core of elite position player prospects is added to we may not see any light at the end of the tunnel. Time is of the essence in at least accumulating that young core so that they will all reach a career crescendo in the same time frame.

I would be pleasantly surprised if the Sox acquired another top 50 prospect for any player other than Quintana.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 04:10 PM) Why on Earth would you want to reduce anyone's return by packaging Shields with them? Let Shields suck here for the next two years while eating some innings since the team is going to suck anyways. There might be a few teams that would want Shields to fill out the back of their rotation.

Not sure about this but possibly the Yankees if they deal Headley somehow before Frazier is traded or the Mets as insurance for David Wright.Bith teams have other options obviously, The Mets or Yanks would welcome the NJ native and Todd would like to play out East, I think. He's a great guy and I'd be sorry to lose his presence on the team, but nt that Hahn os blowing it up, it would be best for him as well as the team to trade him. Same with Robertson and Melky. I would love to package Shields in any trade. Just get rid of him somehow some way.

Kenny Williams put together a team that did what it took the Cubs 108 years to do. I respect the man's intelligence and have always appreciated how he has spoken in public and conducted himself while representing the White Sox and the City of Chicago. Same goes for Rick Hahn. I can't say the same thing about Chris Sale who stepped over the line a few times.

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 08:48 AM) Yeah, I'm not crazy high on Anderson. I think he can be an average major league regular, which is a coup for the Sox considering their track record in developing position players, but I think it's misguided to talk about him as a future star. I guess you haven't watched too many Sox games then. Anderson has tremendous speed on the bases. A double for most other major leaguers is often a triple for him. It is a thrill to see him go from first to third. He has had a lot of strike-out primarily because of his aggressiveness. He can easily change his approach and cut down on K's. Tim has unbelievable range and has made some spectacular throws from deep in the hole between short and third. He also has rare power for a speedy shortstop. Tim Anderson is a future star and will be better than addison russell.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 07:17 AM) Stone Bennetti is fine. No, that has to be blown up as well. In my opinion, Bennetti is awful. Let him take over the radio side and get some experience. Stone is done and so is Hawk. Thank them for their service and honor them. Then bring in a new team with a fresh perspective.

We have been spoiled by having Harry and Hawk for the last few decades. Moving forward , it would be great if Hawk and Stone retired and the Sox got a new announcing team, with Bennetti moving to the radio side.

What about Robles if the Sox include Robertson plus Nate Jones, or pick up part of Robertson's remaining Contract. I guess I am trying to figure our how our Sox can get a decent position player prospect instead of Moncada plus a slough of pitching prospects. You know, desperation may be setting in for Rizzo since he whiffed on a few trades already.

Nationals rumored (by Nightengale) to be interested in Robertson (if they do not get Kenley Jansen (who they cannot afford) and obviously, if the Sox don't get offered more. I'm now wondering what they have left in their farm system that the Sox would want and what would be fair? Pick up Robertson's remaining Contract plus Robles to the White Sox? Unbelievably, there may be a larger market for Robertson who some of us thought would not be garnering much trade interest.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 06:33 AM) A Quintana deal will almost certainly bring back position players. I was referring to "elite" position players, perhaps those rated in the top 25 players in the minors. The Sox need position players that can hit the ball, excite the fan base, and put fannies in the seats. One of Trea Turner, Bregman or Benintendi could very well be worth more than all of the pitching prospects they just acquired. And that is why they are the untouchables. Ask most casual Sox fans for the names of the guys that the Sox just acquired for Sale and Eaton. Most will only recall one name - Moncada.

While I am disappointed that the Sox did not get Trea Turner or at least Robles from the Nats., what is done is done. Looking forward, there is no question that the Sox need to augment the very small core of young position players (Moncada, Zack Collons and Tim Anderson) with some additional position players that are elite prospects in their early twenties in order for this rebuilding plan to work. It doesn't appear that they can get prospects like that now that sale has been traded,, which, I guess, is the point of this thread.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 05:47 PM) Someone on MLB network said Sox and Stros are advanced in talks about Q. Need position players including outfielders, Right now 2017 outfield is Melky/Shuck/Avi G.

Another consideration for the Nats is that they know they will not sign Bryce Harper when he is a free agent in 2 years. Having Eaton for five years would be valuable to them.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:04 PM) I think you guys are overestimating what the return may be for Eaton. I still think the Nats can do this without Turner. We watched Eaton play gold glove caliber RF last and he was more dependable at the plate than Heyward, especially in clutch situations. He is a better base runner than Heyward and can lead off for a team. He is under team control for 5 years at a reasonable cost. No, we aren't underestimating his value.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:01 PM) Watch the Sox use Nationals as leverage against the Cards lol for something like Reyes, Weaver, Kelly+ Nats sound like they really want Q now that Sale slipped out of their hands. That's leverage that the Sox did not have when they were offering Sale. Adding Eaton to Q makes the Sox offer much more robust that Sale alone. Rizzo should take Dobo's advice and trade prospects to win now. Turner plu Robles is what the Sox should demand.

Turner still has to go to the Sox in a three way deal with the Nats and Yanks or in a three way trade with the Nats and Dodgers. In the latter case, Frazier to Dodgers for Puig and the Nats get Puig plus Quintana. Puig might seem more Cutchy to them than Eaton because of his tools and flair..

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 11:19 AM) Are you implying that the Sox may have dealt Robertson to the Cubs? I'm not so sure that the Sox front office wants to help the Cubs win another WS. Well it might be harder to beat Boston with the rotation they have now.

Danks is on the phone.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:55 AM) http://www.royalsreview.com/2016/12/6/1383.../blow-it-all-up Looks like the Royals are going to make everyone available...theoretically...including Duffy, who would be a cheaper one-year rental alternative to Q. Kind of crazy...if the Tigers deal Verlander, Kinsler and JD Martinez...could have essentially 4 rebuilding teams out of 5 in the AL Central, with the playoffs practically ceded to the Indians for at least the next two years despite their microscopic payroll. That speaks to the fallacy of the blow it up rebuild strategy moving forard. This is not like when the Cubs tanked a season and got Kris Bryant. Now there is no guarantee that you even get a top 10 pick in the Draft if you decide to rebuild. Speaking about KC, I can't believe they are stupid enough to trade the best reliever in baseball (IMO) Wade Davis to the Cubs for Jorge Soler. LOL. Theo is cleaning their clock if they do that deal. Soler is a bad baseball player who is susceptible to injury, and he looks like his shoe laces are tied together when he goes after a fly ball. So Cubs are giving up nothing but salary to get Davis,. Unbelievable..

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 04:09 PM) Could you get Turner, Robles and Giolito for Eaton and Quintana? Good thought because the Nats just lost out on Sale because they came up short (probably because they didn't include Turner). Also , they want McCutcheon, but Eaton had a far better year in 2016 and might be a better player for the Nats moving forward. So Quintana plus Eaton is a strong package for those three. Maybe I'd start with Q plus Melky. I would love to have been there when Rizzo asked Hahn what he wanted for Q and Hahn said, "we still would want Turner in the deal."

I am disappointed that Hahn did not hold out to get Benintendi wih Moncada. Oh well.. The plan to do a tear down may not be that simple to execute with teams holding on to their best prospects.. Other than Quintana and possibly Frazier , the Sox don't have players that could be traded for elite prospects. So where will that leave us? Perpetually mired in mediocrity?

The games he pitched (1 out of 5) will now be in question.

QUOTE (Saufley @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 03:06 PM) Mark and others, If the Sox don't get an "anchor player" for Sale what could they get in return for Quintana? Any chance the Sox start throwing his name out there to see what he would get in return? Great thought. In other words, if the Sox are only getting pitching prospects (and some with damaged arms) and a bucket of balls for Sale, then keep him and make some other trades, including possibly Quintana, Frazier, Abreu, Roberton and Eaton. So, yes, there has to be an anchor position player if they trade Sale, or he stays for the time being. My opinion is that Dombrowski will have the last dibbs on Sale and may have told that to Hahn. Washington is spinning their wheels if they think they can get Sale and Cutch without giving up Turner and Robles. I am intrigued by a possible 3 team deal with Pittsburgh the Nats and the Sox where the Nats get Sale and Cutch, the White Sox get Turner plus prospects and Pittsburgh gets prospects from both teams. Sox can sweeten the package to Pittsburgh with Carlos Sanchez and Courtney Hawkins. LOL! (Sorry, I'm going bat sheet crazy with all the speculation..) I just want an anchor player back for Sale, i.e., ...Turner, Bregman or Benintendi plus a prospect or two. We may know something on Tuesday....or not. Can't take the suspense much longer.