FT35

Now watch...Moncada and Benitendi to TB for Archer...that would be our luck right there.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:31 PM) Do not understand the hype behind Severino, Bird, or Judge. Bird looked really good down the stretch last year. He hit a few clutch HRs--BIG one in Toronto. Sorta reminded me of the way Magglio came on to the scene.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:50 PM) No one should be mad at the Sox if Quintana and Sale aren't moved. I get this...I really do. Don't move them unless it makes sense, but one would think their value would be higher to a team in the mix right now because they get him for this year's stretch run and he's pitching at a Cy Young Award level. But I also understand the best deal for Sale might not be available TODAY. I just hope they get a max return on for him--if/when they do trade him.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:41 PM) We joked about it earlier, and it's so true. Whenever it's the sox turn to sell, all of the things we say make them attractive are the things that we hear back as why they can't get a return. So true...Depressing indeed! It's sorta a catch 22 when you have a potential deal with a player like Sale--all your time and attention is spent making sure (if you make a trade), you at least get that one right. There's only so much time in a day--if you're Rick Hahn and 3 phones are ringing, Melky's phone, Shields's phone and Sale's phone, which are you answering!?!? That's why most of us here were starting to get frustrated to not see more deals get done earlier because (I'm assuming) they are boxing off their time with Sale talks. Now the best we can hope for is a waiver deal to drop on some of the others. Is it still possible that all the balls drop into place in an hour or so? I suppose, but a lot would have to happen. Here's hoping...

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:30 PM) Well they may not want to do it today but could give in during the off season depending on their playoff run. One thing that makes it fishy to me is this is Ortiz' last season. I thought they'd wana get him one more ring or run at it. I obviously wouldn't gut my farm system for that reason only but I agree with you...since they are in the playoff picture now, it's enough added incentive to put me over the edge. Ortiz is the heart and soul...I'd want to do everything I could do tee it up for him one last time.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:12 PM) I'm sure they will be because they could be laying groundwork for the winter like Rosenthal, IIRC is who said it. Hmmm...not sure they would waste time TODAY talking about a deal for the winter. I bet both teams need their phone lines open for today's work.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 11:05 AM) I can't stress enough how little sense the Moncada "money we have invested in him" thing makes. I highly doubt that's a real holdup, because DD is smarter than that. Totally agree. If you can afford to pay $31M just to talk to a guy, you can afford to "lose" 63 MIL to get a pitcher like Sale for 4 playoff runs.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:17 AM) The Red Sox paid Moncada a $31.5 million bonus, and paid the league a $31.5 million penalty. They are invested $63 million. The Sox would pay him minimal amounts. It's Boston that doesn't want that $63 million investment to go away. Gotta say I understand! However, they are saving so much of that on Sale's below market deal for 3 years. BUT...like you said...it's a wash, but part of that savings is what makes Sale so valuable...without it, they might as well trade for someone with a typical contract.

QUOTE (heirdog @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:06 AM) No, I think you misunderstood. We like the sharing and really no one came at you too strongly about it and the reaction was just a bit bizarre...bananas and DVDs and what not...that's all. Keep at it and continue to share. Got it! I'll try to hold it together. Either way...it looks like there's some movement with Boston and that's a good thing.

QUOTE (heirdog @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:58 AM) What a bizarre dude The point is this...I didn't report a trade. I saw a tweet on a credible source's page, and thought to post it here where people are talking about tweets on credible source's pages. I know what I saw, I'm not posting from a mental institution. I made no claim of it's validity, I simply thought it was interesting enough to share.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:51 AM) Someone would have retweeted or copy pasted that if Rosenthal said it or at least mentioned it on twitter elsewhere. Search turns up nothing. Don't know what you saw. I'm sure it was just a fabrication of my mind. I occasionally see random paragraphs of text on my computer screen for no reason at all. I read and comprehend the content that is pertaining to today's events even though they do not exist. Hey...gotta go, I am going to eat this banana that just popped out of my DVD drive. I'll make sure to post more delusional content later.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:47 AM) Well, that will give us something to talk about for a few more hours I trust you FT35, but it just as easily could have been him relaying false info he tried to get around. Yes! This is possible!! However, it was posted on his real page. I bet it's a crazy day for him!

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:42 AM) Have to imagine a fake one I'm only on his real page. I've had it up all morning and refreshed it...saw the tweet...panicked, then got on here to post it, went back to copy the exact tweet and it was taken down.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 09:41 AM) The real account? Yeah. I went back to copy it to paste it here and it was gone.

Rosenthal just removed a tweet after 3 minutes that said BREAKING: White Sox Red Sox agree on Sale. Sox would receive Benintendi and Devers as a part of the deal. No Moncada. Those guys are good...but if we trade Sale and it doesn't bring back a team's #1 prospect...wow.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 12:30 PM) What do you think scouts that are sent to watch Sale report back at this point? "Uh, ya he's still good." Scouting Report on Michael Jordan: Has good form on his jump shot tonight. Plays real good defense too (4 steals through 3 quarters of play). The more I watch this guy, those 6 titles are looking more and more legit. We should try to get him to come play on our team. I approve this acquisition.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 11:51 AM) Still think it's unlikely that Chris Sale gets dealt. But FWIW, the Rangers, Orioles, Marlins & Nationals all had scouts at his start Thurs https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/759066541241532416 Rangers are probably scouting sale. Nationals are probably looking at bullpen pieces. No idea what the marlins and Orioles would be looking at. Anyone else find the absurdity in teams scouting Chris Sale!? Why don't they save their scouting budget and just watch Sports Center where most of his pitches usually make highlights anyway. It's like us sending a scout to watch Clayton Kershaw...to see if he has what it takes to be good some day. Ha

I've decided that I don't like the Texas package for Sale. I understand the Profar upside, but he just has the feel of a bust for some unknown reason. Already had a serious injury, not exactly tearing it up at the MLB level--Rangers aren't willing to give him a set position anywhere. Gallo is just Oakland's Khris Davis to me (.230, 25, 65) OK, but a lot of long unproductive streaks. And it doesn't sound like they would include Mazara in a deal. I just think for my "TOP" prospect value, LA, Houston and Boston have more to offer IMO.

I guess what we're seeing here is the long-term effect of working under JR, Kenny, Robin and Hahn. This tape should be studied for science...

Wouldn't it be kind of sweet to somehow tap into their SPs? Like Frazier + $ for Wheeler--who has battled injury, but has 3 more years of team control and already has his Tommy John surgery out of the way!? Then if we flip Q or Sale, we could land a young controllable 3B (Bregman?) and still have a good young SP to plug into the rotation to help fill the loss from loosing Sale or Q. They probably wouldn't do it now that Harvey is out, but Wheeler is still #6 on the depth chart. Seems the Mets are desperate for offense (sound familiar?), but have already recently traded one of their young SPs (Neise) for a quality position vet (Walker).

On a Red Sox Rumors site: "ESPN's Jim Bowden broke down a scenario in which the White Sox would ask for infielder Yoan Moncada, outfielder Andrew Benintendi, righthander Michael Kopech and catcher/outfielder Blake Swihart in a package deal for Sale."

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 11:02 AM) Not really. If Boston did it, they're still Boston. Right...of all the teams Boston would be the most likely to rebound...but if we take 3 of their top 5 prospects, plus a couple other pieces, they will be short on top prospects to deal for significant pieces for a couple of years--unless they don't win the WS this year or show they have a huge shot at it early next year and sell vets to rebuild. Same position competitively as us--all available resources at the MLB level--1 maybe 2 main players of interest in your system. If the MLB team struggles to win, they will have to pay. Now we all know they CAN/WILL pay...but the reason they are successful has been the fact that they have developed a nice crop of talent from their system. If we raid that system--they will feel the heat from that in one way or another.

Problem is this...the price is so high for Sale (reasonably though) that whoever trades all their farm talent for him will become the next...White Sox.

I'll never find displeasure in winning...but here we go again with a little hot streak right around the deadline. Could very well alter the course of the decisions that SHOULD be made. That being said...I hope we keep winning--regardless of what moves we make and who is on our roster.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:20 AM) I didn't read this whole message, but you sort of lost me at trading Eaton and Abreu. That makes literally no sense. Eaton is the kind of guy we need more of, and we have him locked up long term and cheap. Same could have been said about Jose coming into this year, but the man is still a huge bargain and you don't trade him when his value is lowest. Totally hear you. But the argument being made here is that in order to truly rebuild, a. you need to clean house and b. you need to trade what has value. I believe Eaton and Abreu are a big part of the core obviously. But no one is a larger part of the core than Chris Sale given his performance and contract--and that's the very reason why people are saying he should be traded. You trade Sale and you get multiple MLB-ready players and a new farm system. That's what the pro-rebuilders are calling for now. Trading Duke, Cabrera, Lawrie, Jennings...those types of players...will not provide a return great enough to turn the franchise around. To give the team a different landscape, you need to bring out the land movers and turn your biggest assets into the biggest returns. That's what a rebuild is--wiping the slate clean. Eaton and Abreu, Sale and Q...those are the guys that are a part of "the core"...but no matter how good those players are, it's a core that has never achieved results on the field together.