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QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 10, 2016 -> 12:44 AM) I don't believe I said Shazier's hit was really dirty. He lowered his head during a tackle. I would call it illegal but not "really dirty." He'll get a fine. Burfect will get a suspension. I'm not sure how hitting a guy in the head with the crown of your helmet isn't dirty but regardless, my agreement was more with the fact that my annoyance with the announcers and Carey for being flat out wrong on that play and defending Shazier over and over for a blatantly illegal hit clouded my judgment and Burfict's play was clearly worse.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 10, 2016 -> 12:01 AM) I would disagree with this. Shazier did lower his head during a tackle. Burfect hit a guy in the head when there was no play. The ball was ready by him for an incomplete pass. That was the definition of a helpless reciever. You know what I actually agree with this. Both are really dirty plays, Burfict's was more malicious.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 10, 2016 -> 12:37 AM) Shazier's hit was illegal but it was during a play and those happen. I imagine he will get a fine. Except the announcers and Mike Carey defended the hit and called it legal when it was clearly not legal.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 11:43 PM) Burfect has earned it with previous personal fouls and fines. People look at it differently with repeat offenders. For the record, I don't have a problem with criticizing Burfict as his dirty hits date back to college and I remember one against Illinois in the last game I actually went to in Champaign but it was a ridiculous juxtaposition where they were defending a clearly illegal and dirty hit by Shazier and then going out of their way to find something wrong with Burfict's hit which was clearly clean. I also really hate Ben Roethlisberger as a person and I can't stand the love he gets from announcers as a result so their treatment of those two plays bothered the hell out of me.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 10, 2016 -> 12:19 AM) just had to ruin my mojo like that... In all seriousness, I hope Brown gets better. Concussions are what will soon bring the demise of the NFL. Saw two of them today on absurd plays by Shazier and Burfict. Suspend Burfict for as long as you want and suspend Shazier as well.

And finally the rules official on ESPN acknowledges that the Shazier hit was illegal. Amazing how many so called rules experts (Pereira and Carey specifically) didn't know that. Them not knowing that rule or willfully ignoring it really bothers me because it speaks to a lack of competency among officials.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 10, 2016 -> 12:09 AM) Im more of a baseball fan and usually just want to see good games. This was awful. Playoff football is usually pretty good. That game was hard to watch. While the announcers and commentators will focus on Cincy (and they deserve to be heavily criticized because their conduct was disgraceful) because they were the last two act and it cost them the game the Steelers were disgraceful in this one as well.

What's the longest an NFL player has ever been suspended for actions on the field? I know Odell Beckham only got one game for spearing Josh Norman after the play was over. Suh got two games when he stomped on a player's arm. I think they need to start handing out really long suspensions for the behavior we saw today and I'm talking much more than a game or two.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 11:58 PM) I agree. Im just saying his history, not just this game is the reason people talk about him that way. The hit on Ben wasn't dirty today. That's fair and I think the NFL needs to do way more to prevent guys like that from making plays like he did on Brown late. Need to start having very lengthy suspensions for repeat offenders.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 11:54 PM) That penalty on Jones was a joke. Get Porter away from the opposition. Can both teams be eliminated About as dirty of a game as you will ever see. And I still can't believe the announcers defended that Shazier hit. That was the dirtiest play (Burfict one at the end was close) in a game filled with dirty plays.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 11:52 PM) Marvin Lewis should be fired about ten seconds after this game ends Yep. Complete meltdown there. You can't lose control after the Burfict penalty. The Steelers still had a really long kick coming up.

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 11:51 PM) Football has turned into a barbaric game with a bunch of dumbasses playing. This is stupid. Turned into? This isn't anything new.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 11:50 PM) That is why they talk about him that way. Obvious shot to the head. Here's the thing. The play I was talking about before was clearly clean and wasn't close to being an illegal hit. That one was a clearly dirty play. It isn't hard to distinguish between the 2.

Clearly a personal foul by Burfict. That is one he should be criticized for.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 11:43 PM) Burfect has earned it with previous personal fouls and fines. People look at it differently with repeat offenders. Actually, I think it is because Simms and Nantz are garbage at their jobs.

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 11:41 PM) Why didn't Cincy just kneel for 3 downs, forcing Pitt to burn their TO's, and kick the fg? That playcall is up there with SEA passing at the goalline. These coaches out-think themselves sometimes. Because there is no guarantee you make the kick and Pitt would have gotten the ball back with over a minute left which is plenty of time.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 11:37 PM) This game is just amazing. The announcers want to murder Burfict. Yep. They must protect and rave about a complete piece of s*** in Ben Roethlisberger and they despise Burfict (who is probably also a piece of s*** off the field but still). Them questioning the legality of his hit on Roethlisberger but defending the clearly illegal hit by Shazier was infuriating.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 11:13 PM) When bernard went down, burfect ran on t he field to go after shazier. He is just a dirty piece of crap player. Im not judging him as a person as I dont know him. Got it. I was referring to Ben as a piece of s*** person for what its worth.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 11:07 PM) It is a penalty ehen the offense is on the field and he is supposed to be on the sidelines. It was aclean hit with a little extra to fall on him. He has already been fined for intentionally going after his legs and knocking him out for a few games. Piece of crap player. Well it was to a piece of s*** human being I guess. That was clearly a clean hit. I don't think you're right on the penalty. All I can find is this: Removal of his helmet by a player in the field of play or the end zone during a celebration or demonstration, or during a confrontation with a game official or any other player. I didn't see what Burfict did so if it was part of a celebration its a penalty, if it wasn't than it probably wasn't a penalty.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 10:59 PM) Where was the penalty for Burfect running on to the field with his helmet off? Burfect knocked Bell out for the season, now Rothlisberger. Clean hit on Roethlisberger. I'd have to rewatch Burfict play but simply taking off a helmet isn't a penalty in the NFL.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 10:55 PM) So helmet to helmet is allowed when he's not "defenseless"? Hope that's not a broken clavicle for Big Ben, that would ruin the playoffs even more. Nope. Mike Carey is a dumbass. See my post above, that was an illegal hit.

Also, Mike Carey is flat out wrong about that hit not being a penalty (least surprising news ever). NFL rulebook provides that: It is a foul if a runner or tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players are clearly outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle to tackle and from three yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive team’s end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or tackler against an opponent shall not be a foul.

If that's not a personal foul than nothing should be. Unbelievably dirty hit by Shazier.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 9, 2016 -> 07:27 PM) Brian Hoyer, meet Jake Delhomme. Not that the Texans have a good backup and the Chiefs were just the better team especially once Watt went down but how do you not bench Hoyer at halftime for Weeden. But between the terrible bowl season this year and this game I'm still waiting to be remotely entertained by postseason football.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 8, 2016 -> 02:19 PM) I'm agreeing with you. Enough should be enough. Got it. Yep, I will be incredibly pissed if Groce is back next year.