LowerCaseRepublican

Awww, insults and knee-jerk reactionism. Who needs to debate the overwhelming evidence that Israel purposely attacked the Liberty when they can just hurl insults, right I4E? And how exactly is the official page for the survivors of the USS Liberty attack a "left wing" site?

Actually you did. When the server pulls everything back up, I'll more than gladly quote you on it if you'd like.

http://www.counterpunch.org/stclair1126.html Another link with yet more evidence that the attack on the Liberty was on purpose.

Let's face it. Neither of these goons are fit or capable to be President. Nothing is going to really change with either Lurch or the Idiot in power. It's a sad day when our country says we have nobody better to run than a guy on the conservative platform who is not a conservative by any means and a center-right Democrat for his opposition. Get ready for Nov. and yet another edition of 'Choose Your Aristocrat!'

Hey, when you can't fight back against Israeli Defense Force quotes from Haaretz in 2002 saying that they needed to fight like the German Reich in the Warsaw ghetto, why not resort to calling the opposition "stupid", ill informed", "uneducated" etc.? It's sure easier than getting tooled by the fact that the heavy handed tactics being taken by the Israeli hardline hawks are eerily similar to those of the Nazi Reich in regards to ghettos, military tactics and belief of racial superiority. (In other threads, even I4E has called Arabs and Muslims "subhuman") The hardliners both don't want to live in peace in the region. The larger land grabs (I guess 55% of the country wasn't good enough landwise and they now need to go to 88%) are only instigating more terrorism. You never did explain to me that before the UN came in giving 55% of the land to Israel there was no fighting, as you would say "started by these subhuman terrorist 'Palis'". It's an interesting quandry ain't it. They lived in peace until the UN, UK and US wanted to kick the Jews out of their own country so they created Israel in order to move Jews out there. As for the USS Liberty, the independent commission had/has more than enough evidence proving their case. In fact, survivors from the Liberty have their own web page ( www.ussliberty.org ) and said some of the following: Israel claims they mistook our ship for the out-of-service Egyptian horse carrier El Quseir and that we brought the attack upon ourselves by operating in a war zone without displaying a flag. Not so. We were in international waters, far from any fighting, and flew a bright, clean, new American flag. The flag we flew is on display at the National Cryptologic Museum, Fort Meade, Maryland and can be seen there, or in the USS Liberty Images Archive. They also said this: http://www.ussliberty.org/why.htm Most senior US government officials of the era and nearly every senior intelligence official agrees -- often based upon study of intercepted communications -- that Israeli forces deliberately attacked a ship they knew to be American. Why they chose to do that is not an issue. We were an intelligence ship and they were doing something that they did not want the US to know about. One popular writer of Jewish fear-literature, John Loftus, writes in "The Secret War Against the Jews" (a Jewish version of The Turner Diaries) that Israel attacked deliberately because Israeli authorities believed that USS Liberty was relaying Israeli war plans to Egypt in order to assure the destruction of the Jewish State. That is patently ridiculous, but widely accepted even in Israel. Loftus claims to have documented his position through interviews with long lists of "retired old spies" whom he refuses to identify. While Loftus may be correct about Israeli paranoia, he is totally wrong about Liberty's mission. Liberty's primary mission was to collect intelligence on the Soviet forces in the area. The ship didn't even have a qualified Hebrew linguist aboard. So why did they attack? Intelligence analysts agree that they attacked because they feared we might learn something that they did not want the United States to know. That could have been 1. The planned invasion of the Golan Heights which was set to start a few hours after Liberty's arrival in the area. When Liberty arrived, the invasion was postponed for 24 hours, Israel was attacked, and the invasion took place the next day, or, 2. It is possible that they were afraid that Liberty might learn and report to the United States that Israeli forces were executing up to 1,000 Egyptian Prisoners of War at El Arish at the very moment that Liberty was just 13 miles off shore. Israeli apologists dismiss this story as untrue. Israeli historian Michael Oren in his book "Six Days of War" and in published articles has dismissed the claim as untrue claiming that, if it were true, there would be mass graves, reports in the major media, and great outcries from Egypt for justice. Behold! There are mass graves, major media reports and cries for justice. Attention is invited to CNN reporting on the subject which reports the mass graves http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9509/mass_graves/ and a TIME Magazine story which reports the outcry http://www.time.com/time/international/199...middleeast.html More on the atrocity can be found at www.ussliberty.org/washrp96.txt http://www.ussliberty.org/supporters.htm is a list of supporters that believe the overwhelming evidence that the Liberty was attacked on purpose. But I'm sure they're just a bunch of anti-Semites. http://www.ussliberty.org/myths.htm And I highly doubt the Israeli story that they believed it was an old Egyptian boat. I think any person could tell the difference between the most state of the art intelligence gathering boat versus a 1920s clunker that was about to be scrapped. With allies that do this, murder tons of civilians and spy on us...who needs enemies?

Yes, the attack on the USS Liberty is a difficult thing to understand. On the one hand you have your virulent anti-Arab racism and on the other side there are...FACTS. Fact is that the USS Liberty, according to the US government independent commission, was attacked on purpose by the nation of Israel. And BTW, there is a just a bit more than a small difference between a spy in the Pentagon assisting in developing the Iraq war policy and some schmuck sending cash to Hamas. But then again, I'd never bet on you to see that because your attitude is so incredibly racist. If Israel wants to avoid claims of acting like Nazis then they must simply stop acting like the Reich.

Car trouble, for instance. Fake a small minimal injury that would prevent driving. These two solutions just came off the top of my head (and I've got a good buzz going myself). It makes an excuse for the others because they were getting a ride home.

Tell your mom they need a place to crash. Bring them into the room fast and tell them to shut the f*** up and sleep so they don't get busted. Quite simple really. I love living by myself so I can drink myself into oblivion and pass out in a haze like I am doing tonight.

Chicago Cubs reliever Kyle Farnsworth, frustrated after his outing Friday against Houston, kicked a metal fan and injured his right knee so badly that he had to be placed on the 15-day disabled list. Farnsworth has a severe contusion and sprain of his right knee, and could be sidelined for three weeks. On Friday, the right-hander faced nine batters, giving up six runs on six hits and striking out two in one inning in the Cubs' 15-7 loss to the Astros. As he left the field, Farnsworth fired his glove into the stands, overturned a large Gatorade jug in the dugout and apparently then turned his anger on a large metal fan in the tunnel to the clubhouse.

Reading is a skill, I4E. Perhaps you missed this part of it. But keep using revisionism to advance your racism. The US government commission believes that Israel attacked the USS Liberty on purpose.

1. USS Liberty. http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/moorer-liberty.htm 2. http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:GXBJn...s&hl=en&start=2 There you go. Nice job calling them subhuman scumbags too. You sure aren't a Jewish supremacist racist by any means. Not at all. The whole racial superiority and not wanting impure races around...gee, those claims that the IDF are acting like Nazis are totally unwarranted.

Nuke, he's just reporting what he saw in Iraq. During the 1st Gulf War, I spoke with my friend Paul who was stationed over there in the front. He gave me quite a different view of the war than I was seeing in the media and told me that what he was seeing was a lot different than the sanitized version we were seeing in the US.

OMG, I4E...that's hilarious. I love the "Terror Victim" links. Only Israelis can be victims of terror? What a f***ing farce. They should call themselves "Zionist_Palestinian_Haters_and_Racists_Reporting.com"

I4E, if we're their biggest ally then what the f*** are they doing spying on us? And the IDF has killed/injured plenty of unarmed Americans. Israel is out for Israel, make no bones about it. I just find it interesting that according to all reports, the alleged spy was deeply involved with the policy making on the invasion of Iraq and our upcoming policy on Iran.

I guess that whole being a tele-evangelist wasn't working out for him.

http://www.bushflash.com/wmf/beeb.mp3 The media of our ally in the UK conducted a very interesting interview with a US Marine who was in Iraq.

Air America Radio just for the Mike Malloy Show. WILL 580 am on internet radio for "Media Matters" with Bob McChesney. Radio Subversion when it updates. Alex Jones from time to time.

Can anybody say Jonathan Pollard?

Anon. User = me. I set it a while ago when I was messing with options and am too damn lazy to set it back to the normal settings.

Civil trial has a less degree of proof for the prosecution to prove in order to win their case. That could play a big role in this.

I really see no difference between these sorts of groups and groups like the Army of God. For those that don't know, the Army of God was behind the 1996 Olympic bombing along with numerous other bombings and shootings of abortion clinics/doctors & nurses. Always found it funny that they were "We're pro-life and we'll kill your ass!" Their web page is pretty damn scary/funny to read. And oddly enough, the Army of God is not on any list of terrorist organizations distributed by Ashcroft because the Christian right cares for these goons. Not to threadjack but show that there are plenty of whackjobs in any religion. /waits for the invasion that liberates the US from the Army of God

Of course they will try to play that, SS2K4. They've tried saying that he has a case of megalomania and therefore should not be tried. He needs to be tried and convicted...even if it's just ends up being a symoblic conviction for the most part since he is so damn old already.

Let me be the first to say "f*** YES!" This dictatorial asshole was responsible for the murder and disappearance of thousands and he has gotten away with it. This f***er needs to rot in prison for what he did. If anybody wants a good movie about what happened in Chile in '73, watch "Missing" with Jack Lemmon. It's based on a true story.

I'm eating toasted bagels, some watermelon, crackers and a Mountain Dew.

Saw that on Antiwar.com. The media, from the sources I've seen today aren't saying that he tried to torch himself in the van. But unfortunate truth is that's how he got all the burns on his body...trying to commit suicide by burning himself alive in the van. From antiwar.com