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Thank you, Steff. Those are my sentiments exactly.

You never showed me proof. You showed me loaded rhetoric and lame insults. Try using the actual news. Try using facts, OldRoman. There is nothing more anti-American than what you just stated OldRoman. So, you have more people and that makes it right, eh? The Nazis had a majority. Did that make the slaughter of 6 million Jews okay, OldRoman? Seemingly your lust to quell all dissent is just the same as the Hussein regime. Talk about irony.

And Islamic Jihad and the other organizations like that that have been boasting TONS of new members because of this war? This is causing numerous more terrorists to be made.

Kim Jong Il has also kidnapped all triplets in N. Korea and had them squared away in harsh state run orphanages recently because he is VERY fearful that one of them might overthrow him (it's a superstition there that a triplet will overthrow a regime because they are powerful, etc. etc.)

Thoughts go out to the family of these brave people. Support our troops the most...bring them the f*** home.

Well then feel free to use it. I wont call him apu anymore. This name is much more befitting of him... Puerile name calling. You always cease to amaze me, OldRoman.

Listen, . I am getting sick and f***ing tired of your head up the ass attitude. You're a 15 year old that has been proven wrong over and over again by me but yet still tries to act like you're never wrong (kind of like America's attitude) I never said Saddam was an angel. I never said that Iraq's troops were NOT war criminals. I said that the US invasion was illegal and was war crimes. They're all criminal bastards as far as I am concerned, yet nobody realizes that. And Baggs, this is from the BBC. According to your other post shouldn't this report be suspect to lying and bias? Or would that catch you in some sort of hypocrisy? Being part of the anti-war movement does NOT mean I *heart* Saddam. If you believe that, then you are truly a fascist.

Hmm....saying that typing insults is NOT bravery according to you...what would you call that, eh OldRoman?

Tell me when I insulted the troops, OldRoman! I have said and continue to say that I support the troops. I am against the administration's choice to use them in Iraq and against the military industrial complex. There is a difference.

"We hope the regime will collapse as soon as possible and we'll have no further loss of life — civilians or soldiers," Fischer said before a meeting with his British counterpart, Jack Straw, at a hotel in Berlin's Grunewald suburb" They just want the war to end as fast as possible. Also, this wasn't Schroeder speaking either (He was the main proponent of the anti-war sentiment in Germany. They aren't wanting to necessarily jump on the bandwagon. They just want a minimal loss of life...as I think we all do.

Yes, yet another thing we can agree on. Their food is horses***. Which makes it VERY easy for people to boycott it for a more noble reason.

The Guardian Unlimited, the BBC, etc. are some of the most respected international papers. The Nation, The Progressive, etc. They are all respected educational journals. But let's not give an example of how they are wrong either, eh 420? Put your facts where your mouth is.

Damn, I might have to go away from my thrift store shopping and actually go there more often.

OldRoman, Killing is not justified. I am a consciencious objector of any and all warfare that the bourgeoisie have and will wage. It's the rich class waging the war that the lower class will always have to fight. It makes no sense. War never solves anything...or didn't they teach you to use your words and not your fists when you were little? I doubt you know much about Gandhi, but let this quote sink in. "Become the change you want to see and others will follow." The military industrial complex is a horrid sickening cancer on the American people. How about getting jobs, food, infrastructure, health care, etc. for people here first and then going to spread it to the rest of the world. Makes sense, right? I am all for helping the Iraqis, but I'd like to think that it would be a priority for the American government to help the Americans before doing mass humanitarian aid efforts in Iraq. I'm working with Peace Action on the financial costs of the war and how it effects spending on other things. It also uses the projected budget from Bush etc. as well. When we finish it, I'll show you all the data and let's see if you are all good with all that tax money going to the permanent war economy.

Any person can read international law. I am glad that Tariq is seeing it and I hope the world sees it (despite the best efforts of the media) See, OldRoman, I am actually out involved in the streets talking to troops (we have a LOT of reservists on this campus that may get called up) And a lot of them knowing that we support the troops are behind the anti-war movement. They understand that we want LESS dead Marines, etc. so there are not more funerals and people like this mourning. We wouldn't have to celebrate the lives of these young brave American soldiers after they died if George Bush didn't have a hard on for oil and wanting a war to boost approval ratings/wag the dog away from the economy etc. If the welfare of the Iraqi people were the #1 priority how come all the previous lies from the administration? Also, if we want to get technical, you are all sounding like the Nazis....here's a quote from Hermann Georing: "Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger." So, if you can equate me to Tariq Aziz, turnabout is fair play, eh, mein Nazis?

They work in the equivilent of sweatshops. (They have been deemed that by workers rights organizations, human rights organizations, etc.) They are LUCKY if they make $50 a day...that's if they work their ass off. Read up in the news etc. on the subject and their conditions. Tom Morello from RATM and Audioslave is a big activist in this. check www.ratm.com and they have a lot of news links for it. Read up on it, 420. And oh yeah 420, in agricultural labor...it's not 5 days a week. I work in the summers at a farm, 6 days a week but most everybody there works 7 and usually for more than 8 hours. You don't get a full weekend off when the harvest is in. You gotta work til its done as much as possible so the stuff doesn't rot.

Give the war more time, I am sure there will be more accidents because civilian deaths are inevitable. But these deaths are on the rise. Wait until the urban warfare in Baghdad starts. The US troop and Iraqi civilian body bags will be piling up really really fast. I wonder how the media is going to paint that. I agree that Saddam has killed civilians but for a surgical strike mentality and liberation movement like we are advocating, these are a lot of civilian deaths. But tell me in the UN Sanctions that killed over 500,000 people and the US has made it a FEDERAL CRIME for US civilians to smuggle food into Iraq to give to the starving...how do we not have any of that blood on our hands?......or do we? And 420 I said IF they had weapons, a purely hypothetical situation. I didn't say that they DEFINITELY had them.

The boycott is against giving them money knowing that they exploit workers, no matter where it's at. Just like when Nike was using sweatshop labor, I stopped purchasing Nikes in protest of their usage of sweatshop labor in Central America. We're actually trying to work with a national campaign based out of Florida with this. My friend Dann has a lot of friends down in Florida that are working with this cause, etc. So, we're trying to spread awareness and get people to stop giving money to a company which so blatantly exploits their workers.

There are many other dictators that kill their civilians in a much greater amount than Saddam could ever dream of achieving....except they don't have oil. It's not a niave statement. I have read the resolutions and have been able to speak to Doug Rokke who helped craft these resolutions since he was one of the lead inspectors in 1991-1998 in Iraq. They don't allow for vigilante military actions like the US is doing now. They authorize that the inspectors go back in to validate the US/UK claims and if they find anything, destroy it. There was no need for war in this situation. Did anybody think they would give up anything (assuming they have anything) when the entire time Bush is amassing troops around their borders ready to kick their ass? If they had weapons, it wasn't logical that they'd say "Here they are." when they knew that the US was going to invade either way.

They are getting paid way below our poverty line. It's sickening. I'd also rather have money going to help people than to the military industrial complex.

Steff, I don't care if he tells me to go to Hell or whatnot. It just shows that he has no argument if he has to resort to personal insults.

Go yell at Rumsfeld for selling him the gas to do that then. Don't yell at me, Roman. But thanks for playing.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ll_030331143102 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/02/...8962796085.html 'I saw the heads of my two little girls come off' LET'S HEAR IT FOR THE UNITED STATES MILITARY KILLING CHILDREN! WOO! LET'S HEAR IT FOR THE FULL POWER OF THE US MILITARY KILLING THOSE INFAMOUS FIGHTING IRAQI CHILDREN AND WOMEN! http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle...sp?story=393066 They confirmed that Raytheon (a US company) was the company that made the missile that flew into the Baghdad market and it was indeed an Allied missile. And the casualties from this war....will be "shocking" http://www.canada.com/national/features/ir...9D-2054981258F7 Let's hear it for good old imperialism and the military industrial complex! :puke :puke :puke :puke

He wouldn't have been able to gas the Kurds in 1988......IF THE UNITED STATES HAD NOT GIVEN HIM THE GAS AND ALLOWED HIM TO DO IT!

1988? Would that we the weapons WE provided him to do that with and Rumsfeld shook his hand afterwards? And since when did you give a flying f*** about the Iraqi people? Would that be when Ringmaster Bush told you to when he was wagging the dog to avoid the s***ty economy and the fact that he never won the election? I've been helping Voices in the Wilderness for a while getting them food etc. Wait wait wait, OldRoman...you call the murder of tens of thousands of innocents during the Pinochet regime "minor"? You call the 3000 killed by US troops in the Dominican Republic in 1956 "minor" (The US deposed their government and the people rose up in the streets to demand him to be reappointed), you call allowing the Falange & Israel to massacre 2000 people "minor"? You call the massacres at Sabra and Shatila "minor"? I could go on for ages. These are all things that the US assisted in perpetrating or allowed to happen. And I should add the gassing of the Kurds in 1988 because we gave him the weapons and allowed him to do it...and hell, Rummy even shook the man's hand. And OldRoman, I wouldn't be insulting people. You've already been schooled for letting your mouth run without thinking before. Don't make me do it again. Thanks. I never said Saddam was lily white. I did however say that this war is illegal and hell, even George's DAD agrees with me! George's dad knows what is going on and has stated about Saddam and overthrows: "We should not march into Baghdad. . . . To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us, and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day Arab hero . . . assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerrilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability." That's from George Bush I. Tell me, how is bombing civilians, invading their country, going to steal their oil, and destroying their infrastructure all the while thumbing our nose at international law and the UN CHARTER helping the Iraqis? If you are that niave that you actually buy into the "it's all to help the Iraqis" then check out www.iraqbodycount.net or how about the civilians who were shot to death at the checkpoint (women and children!) And actually the AP and other organizations are reporting that they were fleeing from their town because the American propaganda flyers said "flee and be safe" so they were fleeing and got shot because they were so nervous to get out of the country. Good to know that we kill civilians.