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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle...sp?story=393066 Marketplace missile found to be a US one made by Raytheon.

Really? And what weapons have we found? Um, could that be ZERO? We haven't found any of the WOMD that they supposedly have. Let's hear it for Operation Iraqi Libertation, cuz OIL is what it's all about.

Really, that is 10 times what the average American worker makes? Might want to rethink the statement there, 420.

The United States....Florida to be more precise. http://www.sptimes.com/2002/02/24/Columns/...ould_help.shtml http://www.naplesnews.com/02/03/naples/d763633a.htm There are a lot more links on the Rage Against the Machine web site where it has "Tom Talks at Taco Bell protest" The protests have been going for a while, but there is a new boycott in the works around the midwest in solidarity with their continual actions.

It's not French, but since we are all worried about people (i.e. the Iraqi civilians that so many conservatives are so compassionate about saving...granted I think more people are compassionate about the oil fields they are standing on) you may all agree with me on this. Taco Bell. Currently they are paying the people who work in the tomato fields absolute s*** wages. They have to haul 2000 pounds of tomatoes per day in order to receive $50. So, boycott Taco Bell and their filthy wage slave tomatoes and make them pay better wages. Granted, I don't know a lot of people that eat there anyways, but it is always good that even if you don't eat there to call their corporate HQ and let them know that you hate wage slavery and that you're boycotting (since you won't really be giving anything up than their s***ty food that you never ate anyways)

God forbid anybody make this nation accountable for some of the horrible atrocities that it has perpetrated.

What about the Al Jazeera photos of children in the hospital because of "surgical strikes"? Eh, CK and Baggs? What about that? Oh yeah, the infamous children and women brigade. According to news reports today we killed children under the age of 5 in a car at a checkpoint. We feeling heroic yet, USA? And did you know that they were originally going to call this Operation Iraqi Liberation until they found out that spelled OIL. cubkilla..oh yeah..forgot about that what about it apu???...go ask saddam why he didnt disarm...thats where the blame lies...he disarms...NO WAR...youre really reaching now..throwing all kinds of s*** on the wall to see if any sticks... those women and children killed you are blaming on us...they were put in that car by saddam's forces and forced to drive at gunpoint into that US checkpoint on a suicide mission or the rest of their family and village would have been executed...that comes from a high ranking muslim cleric who heads the village...just saw that on tv...they had an interview with the cleric...those people were shiites...the shiites hate saddam...and the 35,000 daollars that was supposed to go to whats left of their family...didnt happen...you still want to blame us for their deaths??? al-jezeera??...yeah they are real objective They are more objective than FOX News. Which seems to be the right's biased news du jour.

I never have been and never will be a member of the Republicans. I have great apprehensions about the Tom Daschle's Pansycrats, excuse me, the Democrats. It's all about finding individual candidates no matter what party that actually give a damn about the people and the voters and not about PAC cash (aka being a corporate whore) Too bad there are not many of them at all.

What about the Al Jazeera photos of children in the hospital because of "surgical strikes"? Eh, CK and Baggs? What about that? Oh yeah, the infamous children and women brigade. According to news reports today we killed children under the age of 5 in a car at a checkpoint. We feeling heroic yet, USA? And did you know that they were originally going to call this Operation Iraqi Liberation until they found out that spelled OIL.

Try reading the resolutions for yourself. Don't take the media spin on them. But thanks for playing. I had the opportunity to read them (I have free time) and afterwards I also was able to talk to people who helped craft the resolutions. It's too damn bad for you guys that none of these resolutions authorize war. But then again, thanks for playing.

I have read the Jungle. Very good book, muckrakers are very powerful. Some of his other stuff like King Coal, etc. is also very good. It just gets a little too preachy at the end for me. Democratic socialism is great. It's a combo of Marx, Engels, etc.

It's 20 points out of 150. They need another 130 points. And if you are b****ing about affirmative action, what about Bush affirmative action that got him into the Presidency? Let's see, C average in Yale...It makes perfect sense that he'd get into Harvard That was state sanctioned discrimination if anything. Affirmative action is not discrimination. It's evening things out. Are you all actually telling me that you'd want to be a black person in America since they get all the breaks right? Also, I am a democratic socialist. That means the government is central to health care, etc. etc. etc. so I would not advocate a decentralized government. I just hate the corporate government that we have now.

Wow, CubKilla. Ad hominem attacks really do little but make me laugh. You can't prove me wrong using the facts, so you've gotta insult me. Pretty goddamn pathetic. Onto the rescue. Glad there's one less body bag from this war.

I am not saying that we will lose. I am however saying that this war is not going to be the cakewalk that the Bush administration made it out to be and the public consensus believed it was going to be. I am saying that there is going to be a great cost for this war, at least in the amount of body bags that will be piling up.

I am just saying that the Pentagon is REALLY pissed off at Rumsfeld because he made a lot of dumbass decisions. And about the nukes, Bush has had some rumblings that he may want to use tactical nukes. I REALLY doubt that the US will use them (cuz, hey, we can't harm that precious precious oil that Bush is cumming all over the place about, right?) I really don't think this war is going well. We just shot and killed 7 women and children in a car. Yes, I remember now, the infamous Iraqi women and children battallion! Also, this war is going to get a LOT more bloody. We haven't seen anything yet. The plans are gonna be urban warfare in Baghdad and Iraq is promising guerrilla warfare. There are going to be a LOT of body bags coming back to the US and UK because of this piss poor foreign policy move by George W. Bush. I also find it sickening that they are already adding the building blocks for trying to legitimize a future invasion of Iran too. But when Tommy Franks and the rest of the Pentagon heads say that "This isn't the type of war that we war gamed against", it scares me that these troops are being put out there in this sort of situation. With the Pentagon giving such discouraging news that Rummy is such a f***ing moron, it scares me even more. Why does this administration hate the troops so much that they are sending them off to die without adequate force and why do they hate them so much that they are giving them faulty chemical suits? (Yes, Doug Rokke who is still heavily involved with US military workings etc. etc. etc. has told me that the GAO has found that the chemical suits being given to our troops are faulty and don't work. Isn't that just a comforting thought that we are sending them out there with suits that don't work?

Only a matter of time Don't criticize government....because if you do, the terrorists have truly won.

An Anti-War statement from National Peace Action We support the troops by opposing this war. Our hearts go out to the military personnel and families who are suffering enormous strain right now. Many of us have friends and loved ones in the armed forces, and it is because we care about them that we believe their lives should not be risked for a war that is not consistent with American democratic values. Recently a reservist we know received his orders, and just before reporting for duty, he wrote: "There is no better way to support men and women in uniform than by keeping us out of harm’s way. Using us as pawns in a game of global chess is not patriotic and it is not a sign of support. We are counting on you to bring us home and keep the administration accountable for our well-being. Our job is to defend the Constitution, to keep safe ‘we the people’; it is not to be exploited as instruments for political or global gain." What does supporting the troops have to do with opposing the war? We see four main reasons: War requires an enormous sacrifice by military personnel and their families. How can we in good conscience demand that they make this sacrifice when we have not exhausted all our other options first? If we treat this war as if it will be an easy excursion, if we ignore peaceful means of resolution out of impatience or rage, we disrespect the difficulty they suffer daily. And if we fail to fully invest in that process and exhaust all other channels of diplomacy, we deal a blow to every family that faces the emotional and financial hardship of separation from a loved one. Carol Korreck, mother of a nineteen-year-old soldier, wrote a letter to George W. Bush: "This is my son Tim. You have been referring to him as ‘military force.’ I want you to be continually mindful of the fact that your ‘military force’ has a mother and two sisters that want you to value his life as much as we do. Not only do you have the future of our nation to decide, you have my son’s future in your hands. War is a last resort. We have not exhausted every other possible means in the fight against terrorism and Saddam Hussein and I don’t understand how you will personally justify loss of life if you don’t take every other option first." The government hasn’t even properly cared for veterans of the first Gulf War. Many Gulf War veterans have died from or continue to experience nightmarish medical problems (including "Gulf War Syndrome," possibly caused by experimental vaccines and U.S. weaponry containing depleted uranium, among other things). The Pentagon estimates that 90,000 troops who served in the Gulf War complain of serious symptoms--yet upon reporting their illness, many have been dismissed as "crazy" or faced enormous obstacles in receiving treatment. (Of those who submitted claims for undiagnosed illnesses, 73 percent have been denied help, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs.) One Gulf War veteran wrote, "It was the choice that I made to spend the rest of my life defending my country and my beliefs; now it’s all spent in the hospital, just trying to survive, and I still have to fight the government every day to get the medications that I need." As of 2001, nearly 10,000 Gulf War vets had died from the illness. The money that could fund competent medical attention for these veterans is being spent on the drive for yet another war. Where is the "support for the troops" once their fighting potential has been exhausted? Is it morally acceptable to do this to another generation of soldiers? Sending human beings into battle is an enormous responsibility to bear. The administration shirked its responsibility when it failed to acknowledge the real cost and consequences of war--including risks that those pushing for war (George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle) have never had to face. Another veteran from Florida wrote to us recently: "I am a veteran of the Vietnam War Era. I served in the South China Sea in a war zone while George W. Bush was dodging the draft. I am now 55 years old and with age comes the realization that war solves nothing. Nothing. Now at this time in my life the administration expects me to rally behind a war that is likely to light the powder keg that is the Middle East....If my last breath is one of protest to this war then I couldn't die a finer death....You may count me as an avid supporter of any group that advocates an end to this madness." Supporting the troops means coming to terms with the reality of what they face, not romanticizing it. Veterans for Peace warns: "We know the consequences of American foreign policy because once, at a time in our lives, so many of us carried it out. We find it sad that war seems so delightful, so often, to those that have no knowledge of it. We will proudly, and patriotically, continue to denounce war despite whatever misguided sense of euphoria supports it." With language like "surgical strikes" and "collateral damage," we ignore the reality of what soldiers are really being asked to do. "Smart bombs" have incinerated even civilian bomb shelters. Many innocent civilians die in war, and even those soldiers who return uninjured are forced to carry those memories for the rest of their lives. In the words of 20-year veteran Gary Huested, "You hear the cries and screams, so unearthly you wonder how the person lying next to you could make such a noise, his eyes locked open, his mouth contorted almost beyond recognition....You’re left with the knowledge of Kurtz’s horror in Conrad’s Heart of Darkness, unable to forget what you did and saw, unable to keep it buried...." We reach out to servicemen and women with deep respect and hopes for their safety. As American citizens, it’s precisely because we care about America’s democratic values that we have to speak out against injustice. You can still be a patriot--which many of us consider ourselves to be--without agreeing with every action the administration takes, especially in matters as serious as waging a war. We will continue to insist that the administration not dishonor the commitment of servicemen and women by sending them to ever-escalating "pre-emptive" wars around the globe, but allow them to do the job they courageously pledged to do: "to keep safe 'we the people.'" MORE RESOURCES www.bringthemhomenow.com www.mfso.org www.veteransforpeace.org www.gulfweb.org www.veteransforcommonsense.org www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php

Baggs, I didn't make it up. It's actually a friend of a friend of mine. But nice try. How about addressing the arguments in it? Oh yeah, cuz this war is illegal and wrong and borderline imperialism. I really find it odd that veterans like yourself can rally around a chickenhawk president. Really amazes me. When he is sending off more people to die for no reason. Oh yeah, check THIS out: "We should not march into Baghdad. . . . To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us, and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day Arab hero . . . assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerrilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability." -- George H. W. Bush, in his 1998 book "A World Transformed" As suspected former President George Bush I is not a real American like his son. Perhaps he should have a one way ticket to Baghdad and Tehran like the fascist religious right says that peace folks should do. Man, I thought George I was smart, after all the "born again Christian" chose him as his vice president. But, George the I is nothing but an unpatriotic, secular humanist allied with the socialist and Muslim fundamentalists!

I guess this is being big and strong then, eh Baggs? Shock and awe, my ass. This is the death and destruction campaign. We're liberating them from their oil and their lives. Tell me, Baggs, which of these children was fighting for Saddam that they needed to get hurt? Huh? http://www.aljazeera.net/news/arabic/2003/...3/3/3-22-26.htm (NOT FOR THE SQUEAMISH) http://www.bartcop.com/rummys-war.htm That's an article that appeared from Reuters. Let's check out some of the excerpts of this article a la Bartcop.com Excerpt: *Rumsfeld repeatedly rejected advice from Pentagon planners that substantially more troops and armor would be needed *Rumsfeld insisted at least six times that ground troops be sharply reduced and got his way. *"He thought he knew better. He was the decision-maker at every turn," *"This is the mess Rummy put himself in..." *Rumsfeld overruled Gen. Tommy Franks to delay the invasion *"[Our troops on the ground] have no resources. *...the war was now a stalemate. *Much of the supply of Tomahawk cruise missiles has been expended, *aircraft carriers were going to run out of precision guided bombs *serious maintenance problems with tanks, armored vehicles and other equipment, *they planned to bring in another 100,000 U.S. soldiers by the end of April. What a mess - have you ever seen bunglers screw up so incredibly bad? Politically, we have to compare this to Mogadishu, the GOPs favorite subject of all time Clinton never wanted to be in Somalia - that was Bush 41's screw up Clinton didn't try to micromanage Somalia, Clinton didn't reject the advice of all his top generals It's only been days, and we've lost 61 men - either dead, missing or POWs that probably aren't coming back And they want to send another 100,000 men so Rummy can gamble some more? All this, because the Unelected Fraud has a physical lust for Iraq's oil. Today is March 31th, and we have 61 dead. How many dead will we have thirty days from now? ...and if you're not sickened yet, check this, from an unnamed former senior Pentagon official: "The only hope is that they can hold out until reinforcements arrive." We should recall the troops, apologize to the world and remind them we didn't elect these blood-thirsty thugs. I don't want to watch hundreds (please, not thousands) of our bravest men die live on CNN. We need to stop this war. ------- This war is sickening borderline imperalism bulls***. Let's hear it for our unelected leader! (and don't give me the electoral college bulls***, you have not read about the 57,700+ LEGAL voters purged from the voter rolls in Florida that were over 90% traditional voting Democrats and members of the Democrat party...majority black, latino and poor whites)

Beirut, October 23, 1983: Simultaneous suicide truck-bomb attacks were made on American and French compounds in Beirut, Lebanon, killing 242 Americans and 58 French troops were killed, too. Look, the "cheese-eating, surrender monkey" French died with our boys. Maybe that's why they don't want a brain-dead US president starting a war in the Middle-East. They have been dealing with terrorism for 20 years. The French have been hit with bombs before too. Maybe that's why they are a little more hesitant than us. Also, did you all know that Powell was going to resign if Bushie didn't go to the UN? And the man whose foreign policy failures helped to lead to that Beirut attack....none other than And the WOMD that Saddam has that they COULD supply to terrorists.... Well, so could North Korea. Well, so could Cuba. Well, so could Libya. Well, so could Pakistan. Well, so could India. Well, so could Russia. Well, so could Algeria. Well, so could Saudia Arabia. Well, so could Iran. Well, so could North f***ing Pago-Pago, but Bush only has eyes for Saddam.

I had received this on the CIBCAR mailing list a few weeks ago and thought it would be interesting to post it now and get your guys' thoughts on it. Without further, adieu...here comes this man's experience. (This took place in Arizona) ----------------------------------------------------- My Visit to the Pro-War (Kill'em All) Rally Last night, a local talk radio station organized a "It's not about disrobing, but disarming" rally in support of the upcoming war on Iraq. As some of you may know, I had decided to go make my pro-peace voice heard, even if I was the only one. Friday afternoon, I got my sign ready. One side said "Honor Vets, Wage Peace" and the other said "Support our Troops - Stop The War". I also, thanks to some friends, had about 20 copies of enlistment forms with the address and phone number of every recruiting office attached to each one. I got to 24th street and Camelback around 5:45ish, having a difficult time finding the bar they were having the rally at. I walked about 7 times around the intersection, getting honked for and honked at. Sometimes flipped off and yelled at, but kept on undeterred. Then as the sun set, I decided to head into the belly of the beast...off to Nixon's and the "kill 'em all" rally". At first the security wasn't going to let me near the place, because of my sign. Then, after pointing out to him that there were other signs larger than mine, and talking to his supervisor, he let me pass. There were probably 200-300 people there... a pretty decent sized crowd, but still only 10% of the usual Phoenix area peace demonstrations. To be honest, I was shaking and a bit nervous. I heard there was another pro-peace demonstrator there, and I saw him, so I was able to relax a little. Two was better than one. I have never been so mocked in my entire life. I stood there proudly, quietly, not getting angry, not yelling, holding my sign. Some of the others stood in front of me and held their signs in front of mine, so I just raised mine higher. Fortunately I'm 6'2" and had a long stick on mine. One 20-something held his "America.. Love it or Leave it" sign in my face and yelled at me. I asked him if he came up with that all by himself or if he had someone else help him. I was called every name in the book by some folks. An older veteran threatened me telling me that it was because of him that I could be out there today. I thanked him for his service, and then produced my DD-214 and VA letter stating I, too, was a disabled veteran. He seemed flustered and left. A lady who lost her husband in Korea called me a jerk. I asked her if she ever wanted anyone else to go through what she went through and that I was sorry for her loss and grateful to her husband for his sacrifice. She muttered "asshole" and walked away. Some younger (early 20's) pro-death types then challenged me. I stood my ground and asked them if they thought we should really be going to war. They said "Hell Yes!" So, I pulled 5 enlistment forms from my back pocket and said I would go with them to sign up to fight. Their response "I can better support the war by staying here and paying my taxes." I thought. So I asked them if they thought it was ok to send other people's children to die in their place. Flustered, they left. I did, not to completely slam them, did have long calm involved debates with a few ASU college Republicans. They seemed shocked of the news that Saddam Hussein has never done anything without expressed or implied consent of the US. They didn't know that the original disarmament resolution (678?) was designed to create a WMD free buffer zone in the Middle East... and that included Israel. They talked democracy in Iraq, I talked ethnic divisions that would never allow that to really happen. They had no clue about the tension between Turkey and the Kurds. They didn't realize that France lost 1.4 million people in WWI and hundreds of thousands more in WWII and that is what led to their internal strife dealing with Nazi Germany. They also didn't know that France has been dealing with terrorism for over 20 years now. The event hosts mocked me openly over the microphone. They tried to chase me away with chants of "USA, USA". One guy even challenged this "commie pinko, f**-loving hippie" (my favorite insult of the night) to donate $20 to the Red Cross. A challenge he placed on all Vets. You should have seen all the jaws drop when I put my sign down, took the envelope, pulled $20 out of my wallet, sealed the envelope, and gave it back to him. "See", I told them, "I do support our military. I just do not support the war with Iraq." The biggest vomit point of the night came when they played that damn Toby Keith song and all of them sang along... really loud during the "We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way" part. Someone asked me what group I was with. I said "me and my two children... that's who I'm here for". She actually smiled when she learned that I was there by my own volition and shook my hand and left. All in all it was a very..... unique experience. This was a guy who had a sign that said "No mercy for the merciless". Priceless, huh? And, no surprise here, absolutely none of the 20- somethings in favor of the war took my challenge to enlist in the military. None. Zero. Zip, zilch, nada. As I was leaving, a woman and her 3 kids came up to me and handed me one of those pocket book copies of the Constitution. I thanked her and told her to keep it as it would become a collectors item once Dubya and Ashcroft were done eliminating the parts they didn't like. (This brought me chants of 'asshole', but ya know what... it's true. Patriot I and Patriot II make this fact.) About 8:30, I got back to my car, put my sign in the trunk, and headed back home. Yelled at, mocked, taunted, teased, and threatened I consider it to be a success. I didn't lose my temper and I didn't make an ass of myself.

Calm down. Sounds like somebody is just a little bit keyed up.

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I am not talking about the ones that are struggling in the lower classes. I am talking about people that I know that get drunk 6 days a week and drive their BMW completely wasted a lot of the time and they don't give a damn about their education because no matter what they have been guaranteed a spot in the family corporation.

What in the blue hell does this have to do with a bong? WSC, do you even know what a bong is?