Con te Giolito

The quiet is a bit disconcerting, especially with how close things seemed and how quickly talks picked up Tuesday. Starting to get a little nervous.

I've suggested Nate Jones for Yan Gomes a few times.

That would not be a good deal.

How about an evening rumor eh boys?

They are pretty weak at 3rd and 1st I'm surprised we haven't seen them connected to Frazier. Frazier may not be the best 3b in the world but goddamnit he's a lot better than Luis Valbuena and Trevor Pluoffe.

I really wish there wasn't a pick hooked onto Bautista. He'd definitely do his part to keep the team watchable and his edge is good for a clubhouse.

http://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/heyman-str...luggers-remain/ No specific mention of which names, but here it is:

But OTOH you're getting 25 year old Mickey Mantle. The proposal I made going to Anaheim probably isn't enough anyways.

They could get stuff for Calhoun and Shoemaker. Not much but they could maybe move the farm from "distant last" to "maybe not the worst anymore?" territory.

If they trade Quintana and everything they got from the Red Sox and Nationals for Trout they would still have a better team and org built around Trout than the Angels do now. I'd rather have the remaining White Sox "core" of Abreu, Melky, Anderson, Rodon, Migo, Robertson, Jones, Frazier etc. than the Angels' Calhoun, Richards (broken), Simmons, Cron and Shoemaker. Not to mention the Sox would still have a handful of top 100 guys and an exciting 2016 draft class whereas the Angels have done very little to improve one of the worst farm systems of all time. Give it a shot. Who knows, what if Trout gets better as he enters the prime of his prime?

Yea if I were them I'd go for a soft reboot. Move what they can now for near-ready talent, try and clear money whenever and wherever possible. Trout will be playing his age 25 season this year so they still have a lot of prime left in him, they can afford to punt 1 year of him.

Yes. I'd do just about anything to get Mickey Mantle on the White Sox.

Cant trade Trout. Cant even really entertain the thought.

It would have to be a 5 year gut rebuild to even have a chance of working and punting the prime of Trout's prime is criminal. They cant trade a player like him either. Their best bet is to try and find 1 or 2 starters from the minors and go hog wild the next two years in free agency.

I just dont think they are going to be willing to trade what little they have. I think Frazier and Robertson would both interest them but they have like 3 prospects with a pulse and cant afford to trade them all.

Angels, Rockies, Cardinals and maybe the Rangers could all use him I guess. The problem with Robertson is he is quite bad so he's just a new name to other teams with bad closers.

The "Sox have high price and will wait til ST" comments aren't good.

I have no doubt that was their plan coming into the offseason but its obvious now that the market for Cutch is trash. They will get more value out of him playing in 2017 and either contributing to a winning team or rebuilding his stock than they will dealing him now. Barring injury Meadows doesn't have a place on the 2017 squad unless they do something catastrophically dumb and move him to 1b or sell a one-time MVP who is nowhere near old enough to be considered over the hill with two years left in a salary dump move. The best use of Meadows right now is use him as a trade chip. They can compete with the Cubs or at least chase a wild card while also keeping their farm mostly in tact. All they really have to do is find an OF hier apparent for Cutch, and they have two years to do it. Considering they have a Meadows-like OF prospect every other year I dont think this is too much to ask of the Pirates org.

I still think the Pirates get it done with a Meadows + Bell/Keller/Glasnow + a low level arm or two package. If the Sox want Bell they'd probably have to throw Frazier into the deal, but that also probably adds a better of cadre of prospects after the two headliners. Pirates have tanked the market for McCutchen by being so desperate to sell him that its about time for them to realize they never should've shopped him to begin with. Pirates have two years of prime-time baseball and with some favorable contracts long-term and a farm system that still has some muscle with a strong org to recoup what was dealt in the next couple seasons. Huntington is a good GM and I'm sure they like him, he can convince Nutting to expand the payroll a little bit to add a big piece.

Bregman is a major case of Sox fans wanting what they cannot have. The Red Sox would have been willing to give up more also. Pretty obvious now that Dombrowski had locked on to Sale months ago and wasn't going to leave the meetings without him.

If they get a Torres/Rutherford package for Q? Yea it pushes things out a bit. But if they go the Pirates route and get more close to the majors guys 2018 could be competitive. Right now they really need a well rounded OFer because that's one the thing the system is very light on until you get down to like Winston-Salem. Of course the W-S OF will probably be Call-Basabe-Fisher, all three pretty legit prospects, but another guy closer to the majors could accelerate the return to competitive baseball.

Have to see what the Quintana trade brings, but for right now I expect the Sox to be good in 2018. Perhaps not playoff ready, but the rotation of Rodon-Giolito-Lopez plus the two most worthy suitors from the minors to that point (competition for spots is going to be nice) and the Moncada-Abreu-Anderson core that's brewing should lead to watchable if not good baseball.

But then were talking about a guy who was tied for 33rd last season amongst qualified batters in OBP. Tied for 59th in wRC+. That's not bad, but its also not great. At least not top 20 player in the game great. He also displays power sporadically at best and has good-not-great baserunning with disappointing steals totals. I see him as a fringe top 50 offensive player, the defensive renaissance he enjoyed in RF last year definitely boosts him but not to the kind of heights that justify giving up two of the best farm arms in baseball (PLUS a 1st rounder). Perhaps he fits what the Nationals need more than most teams so it makes more sense for them. Their window is probably only open for 2 more years anyways. But the Sox are likely to find 10 Adam Eaton's before they stumble on another Chris Sale or even Jose Quintana.

Never had an OPS over .800, didn't have a higher OPS than Melky last year. So a few nice throws from RF made him one of the best 20 players in baseball? Not buying it at all. Sox should've sold high on him rebuilding or not and glad they got what they did. This is about the time where we get our daily rumor that leads to rampant excitement and eventually dies off around 2 or 3 PM as the reality of not trading Quintana for yet another day sinks in. Just get this over with for gods sakes.

Before the trades the Sox were a bottom third system despite sucking for 5 years. You're saying sucking for 3 years will give them a bunch of draft picks that will improve the system, but if that's the case then why didn't sucking for the last 5 years improve the system?