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White Sox @ Marlins

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QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 06:05 PM)
Hopefully Kaplan saying the dynamic between Hahn and KW being dysfunctional means Hahn is gone

Well, the dynamic between Ozzie and Williams was dysfunctional as well, so what or who is the common thread there? And why does the owner allow these dysfunctional relationships fester the way they seemingly do?

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QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 07:05 PM)
Hopefully Kaplan saying the dynamic between Hahn and KW being dysfunctional means Hahn is gone

Why does KW escape this? Hahn and Williams should go. Otherwise we'll just be questioning KW's influence like we do now, just with another name

Edited by Flash Tizzle

Hehe. Shields.

Anderson needs to work on his tags

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Aug 14, 2016 -> 12:09 AM)
Why does KW escape this? Hahn and Williams should go. Otherwise we'll just be questioning KW's influence like we do now, just with another name

 

Of course both should go...everyone associated with this dumpster fire should be gone. However I doubt Kenny goes anywhere

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 07:05 PM)
Hopefully Kaplan saying the dynamic between Hahn and KW being dysfunctional means Hahn is gone

 

What was said exactly? Is this in a thread somewhere?

 

Pitchers duel tonight

Every poster who praised this trade lost any credibility they may have had. Shields is the worst pitcher the White Sox have ever acquired.

Hey congrats to Coats!!

Jason Coats with his first major league homer. Nice to see and good for the kid

If Hahn goes then disaster that is KW has to go also.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Aug 14, 2016 -> 01:18 AM)
Every poster who praised this trade lost any credibility they may have had. Shields is the worst pitcher the White Sox have ever acquired.

 

Prove it

Would be furious to find out we could have offloaded Shields and Robertson yet inexplicably held onto both.

 

Insane decisions this year on personnel.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 14, 2016 -> 01:24 AM)
Would be furious to find out we could have offloaded Shields and Robertson yet inexplicably held onto both.

 

Insane decisions this year on personnel.

 

I can all but guarantee they could have unloaded Robertson

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 07:25 PM)
I can all but guarantee they could have unloaded Robertson

 

 

Prove it.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 07:22 PM)
Prove it

I immediately checked Jamie Navarro and found he had a 3.2 fWAR season his first year with the Sox before his advanced stats collapsed and Shields has been worth -0.7 fWAR with the White Sox so far this year while Navarro's worst 2 seasons were -0.6, so Shields is already worse than the acquisition I thought of.

 

Who else should I check?

Conley 2-2 off Shields. At least he didn't allow a homer to the pitcher :)

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 07:22 PM)
Prove it

 

He's been bad enough overall that there actually isn't even a debate about it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 07:32 PM)
Conley 2-2 off Shields. At least he didn't allow a homer to the pitcher :)

 

He already has to Bartolo Colon

Edited by soxforlife05

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Aug 14, 2016 -> 12:34 AM)
He already has to Bartolo

 

Well aware, that's why I said that

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 06:18 PM)
Every poster who praised this trade lost any credibility they may have had. Shields is the worst pitcher the White Sox have ever acquired.

Also every poster who talked about Shields being "fixed" after his fluke run, and everyone who sarcastically dismissed people pointing out his peripherals

9 of last 13 have reached vs Shields. ERA flying up near 6. Way to go Rick

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Aug 13, 2016 -> 07:35 PM)
Also every poster who talked about Shields being "fixed" after his fluke run, and everyone who sarcastically dismissed people pointing out his peripherals

 

Oh God. Mr Hindsight is back again.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 14, 2016 -> 12:37 AM)
Oh God. Mr Hindsight is back again.

 

People on here were begging Hahn to unload him at the deadline

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