1 minute ago, fathom said:

Being up here is doing him no good. He has no chance right now.  Go to AAA and hopefully regain confidence. If not, he will be in Independent baseball in 3 years 

Unfortunately, not only has he lost all of the command that might enable him to be a mid- or back-rotation pitcher, he's lost even more of his stuff such that it's getting hard to see the raw talent to do what he needs to do.

Just now, Buehrle>Wood said:

Very lucky to only be down 2 0

Quite a statement when the Cubs only got 1 hit...and yet, it's a true statement.

When we got Giolito we were told he had a 70 grade fastball and touched high 90s nearing 100. Then we hear that his spin rate is awful. Then his velocity dips to low 90s at best. Now he can’t find the plate. Great 

 

Edited May 13, 20187 yr by daa84

Giolito confidence is shot not even focused on holding runners only on hoping he can find his release 

Why are they taking first pitch fastball as if it's their game plan?

3 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

3 stolen bases in 1 inning

4

I know Hendricks is a strike machine, but show alittle bit of patience up there boys.

1 minute ago, daa84 said:

When we got Giolito we were told he had a 70 grade fastball and touched high 90s nearing 100. Then we hear that his spin rate is awful. Then his velocity dips to low 90s at best. Now he can’t find the plate. Great 

 

Yep he's not even close to being competitive at this level 

7 minutes ago, fathom said:

Please feel free to replace Cooper. He's still living off 2005 and Sale.

Sox pitching staff MLB rank by WAR and RA9-WAR:

2002: 16 / 15

2003: 5 / 5

2004: 18 / 15

2005: 1 / 1

2006: 4 / 8

2007: 9 / 18

2008: 1 / 6

2009: 4 / 7

2010: 1 / 10

2011: 2 / 8

2012: 12 / 6

2013: 16 / 18

2014: 25 / 25

2015: 9 / 16

2016: 13 / 11

2017: 29 / 23

Somebody deserves credit for that alongside the unmatched health of the staff over that period.

1 minute ago, daa84 said:

When we got Giolito we were told he had a 70 grade fastball and touched high 90s nearing 100. Then we hear that his spin rate is awful. Then his velocity dips to low 90s at best. Now he can’t find the plate. Great 

 

No, it was well known his velocity dipped. BUT, he was still 95-96 when he was debuting with the Nats. Where that went, who knows.

Fulmer and Gio are two pitchers I just don't see pitching in the bigs for much longer. 

That Mom had zero awareness that her kids almost took a foul ball to the noggin

Matty D is for real.

Cancel post game!  Love Davidson this year 

Davidson is bae.

Davidson really fits in the modern day three outcome baseball, he's a keeper

Davidson’s a pleasant surprise

 

2 minutes ago, Jake said:

Sox pitching staff MLB rank by WAR and RA9-WAR:

2002: 16 / 15

2003: 5 / 5

2004: 18 / 15

2005: 1 / 1

2006: 4 / 8

2007: 9 / 18

2008: 1 / 6

2009: 4 / 7

2010: 1 / 10

2011: 2 / 8

2012: 12 / 6

2013: 16 / 18

2014: 25 / 25

2015: 9 / 16

2016: 13 / 11

2017: 29 / 23

Somebody deserves credit for that alongside the unmatched health of the staff over that period.

Chris Sale is a future HOF. He played a big role in that success. I also don't know if Cooper's philosophy will translate well to the current strikeout/loft era

Edited May 13, 20187 yr by fathom

I would have guessed pre-season that Fulmer being better than Giolito would have meant that Fulmer had a breakout year, not that they were fighting each other for a spot on the bus to Charlotte

I do not see any growth in TA.

8 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

3 stolen bases in 1 inning

4

2 minutes ago, Jake said:

Sox pitching staff MLB rank by WAR and RA9-WAR:

2002: 16 / 15

2003: 5 / 5

2004: 18 / 15

2005: 1 / 1

2006: 4 / 8

2007: 9 / 18

2008: 1 / 6

2009: 4 / 7

2010: 1 / 10

2011: 2 / 8

2012: 12 / 6

2013: 16 / 18

2014: 25 / 25

2015: 9 / 16

2016: 13 / 11

2017: 29 / 23

Somebody deserves credit for that alongside the unmatched health of the staff over that period.

That to me looks like if he has a quality rotation he can produce results, tough to compare this staff to garland, buehrle, Freddy, Contreras. All things just aren’t equal.

Davison would have had a homer if the wind was blowing in 40 mph

Just now, Replacement Level Poster said:

That to me looks like if he has a quality rotation he can produce results, tough to compare this staff to garland, buehrle, Freddy, Contreras. All things just aren’t equal.

At time, I also have felt they focused too much on Rodon throwing a change up instead of letting him try to dominate with two plus pitches. Hope we don't see something similar with Kopech.

1 minute ago, Replacement Level Poster said:

That to me looks like if he has a quality rotation he can produce results, tough to compare this staff to garland, buehrle, Freddy, Contreras. All things just aren’t equal.

Well I think as a general rule pitching coaches don't look good if the pitchers are bad. Of course, it's hard to know how much the success of some of the pitchers — especially the ones who came up through our system — was because of the coaching they received. I think in general the Sox rarely ran out there with the pure pitching talent to justify such excellent output, but that's of course debatable.