Going into the offseason, if someone would’ve told me that the Sox would land Yasmani Grandal and Dallas Keuchel, I would be ecstatic. Couple that with Mazara in right and adding Gio to the rotation, I think our guys have quietly had the best offseason of any team so far.

Bold...I really like what PHI did

Anytime you can get a #3 starter with a near 4 ERA for $118M...you do it

Edited December 22, 20196 yr by ChiSoxJon

7 minutes ago, ChiSoxJon said:

Bold...I really like what PHI did

Anytime you can get a #3 starter with a near 4 ERA for $118M...you do it

I’m not sure why you are trying to bash Wheeler so bad.  He’s a 4 WAR guy and Hahn tried to sign him.  Hahn must be a moron for wanting him at $125 million then, right?  He’s good.  Get over it.

Edited December 22, 20196 yr by Moan4Yoan

10 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

I’m not sure why you are trying to bash Wheeler so bad.  He’s a 4 WAR guy and Hahn tried to sign him.  Hahn must be a moron for wanting him at $125 million then, right?  He’s good.  Get over it.

Uhhhhh yeah

Grateful for that miss

The Sox had the best offer for Wheeler, theres no point in bashing them for that. He did not want to play here, its that simple. Move on 

2 minutes ago, reiks12 said:

The Sox had the best offer for Wheeler, theres no point in bashing them for that. He did not want to play here, its that simple. Move on 

Keuchel for 3/56>Wheeler for 5/$118

Just now, ChiSoxJon said:

Keuchel for 3/56>Wheeler for 5/$118

Lets hope so! I actually hope Wheeler flops for the Phils, screw him.

Just now, reiks12 said:

Lets hope so! I actually hope Wheeler flops for the Phils, screw him.

Odds are in your favor for that term and money

20 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

I’m not sure why you are trying to bash Wheeler so bad.  He’s a 4 WAR guy and Hahn tried to sign him.  Hahn must be a moron for wanting him at $125 million then, right?  He’s good.  Get over it.

The GM whose 0 for 7 in winning seasons is a moron?!

5 minutes ago, ChiSoxJon said:

The GM whose 0 for 7 in winning seasons is a moron?!

Everyone must be a moron because the market apparently valued Wheeler at 5/$100+, many teams were interested in him at that price, the Sox offered him $125, and he signed for $118.

14 minutes ago, ChiSoxJon said:

Keuchel for 3/56>Wheeler for 5/$118

Not a chance

1 hour ago, ChiSoxJon said:

Keuchel for 3/56>Wheeler for 5/$118

It's not a 3/56. It's a 4/74. It's very likely that option is going to vest. 

2 hours ago, ChiSoxJon said:

Keuchel for 3/56>Wheeler for 5/$118

Which team got the better pitcher to help them compete for a championship over the next few years?  The Phillies or the White Sox?

45 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

It's not a 3/56. It's a 4/74. It's very likely that option is going to vest. 

I mean 160 innings in both 21 and 22 isn’t a given. If he spends any time any time on the DL either season it gets interesting. I wouldn’t just assume the 4th year is vesting. 

2 hours ago, ChiSoxJon said:

Keuchel for 3/56>Wheeler for 5/$118

Not at all.

2 hours ago, ChiSoxJon said:

Keuchel for 3/56>Wheeler for 5/$118

This mindset has me signing in to post for the first time in a very, very long time. Wheeler is better than Keuchel, so he would be the better signing. The “savings“ only matter if you use the money, and even then, it’s impossible to make a 1:1 comparison. And even even then, it’s not any of our money so why do we care?

Edited December 22, 20196 yr by rcpweiner

1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said:

It's not a 3/56. It's a 4/74. It's very likely that option is going to vest. 

The Sox maintain some control on whether or not that happens though. 

Just now, Princess Dye said:

The Sox maintain some control on whether or not that happens though. 

They do, but it's hard to not pitch a healthy starting 160 innings. 

Positive thread. Let’s be positive. 
 

im blown away by where we’re at. We still need another bat and ideally we could find a way to have guys like Robert, Madrigal, and Kopech debut with the big club instead of waiting out service times. 

38 minutes ago, Steve9347 said:

Positive thread. Let’s be positive. 
 

im blown away by where we’re at. We still need another bat and ideally we could find a way to have guys like Robert, Madrigal, and Kopech debut with the big club instead of waiting out service times. 

Pretty sure this has no chance of happening, and all the additions are making it much more likely that they don’t make the opening day roster.

5 hours ago, BackDoorBreach said:

Not a chance

Guess who had the superior ERA last year?

4 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

It's not a 3/56. It's a 4/74. It's very likely that option is going to vest. 

And STILL better than giving Zach Wheeler 9 digits?

 

3 hours ago, Thad Bosley said:

Which team got the better pitcher to help them compete for a championship over the next few years?  The Phillies or the White Sox?

Both teams just got good #3s, Wheeler has a higher ceiling that he's yet to hit at age 30

White Sox just signed their #3 for cheaper and have the depth to not feature him as a their #1

6 hours ago, Moan4Yoan said:

I’m not sure why you are trying to bash Wheeler so bad.  He’s a 4 WAR guy and Hahn tried to sign him.  Hahn must be a moron for wanting him at $125 million then, right?  He’s good.  Get over it.

The Wheeler hate by some on this board is astounding to me.

4 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

I mean 160 innings in both 21 and 22 isn’t a given. If he spends any time any time on the DL either season it gets interesting. I wouldn’t just assume the 4th year is vesting. 

Exactly.  

10 hours ago, reiks12 said:

The Sox had the best offer for Wheeler, theres no point in bashing them for that. He did not want to play here, its that simple. Move on 

Don't know if Stoney has  any inside information here, but  he makes a good point...

https://twitter.com/stevestone/status/1202423326699749376

12 hours ago, KnightsOnMintSt said:

Going into the offseason, if someone would’ve told me that the Sox would land Yasmani Grandal and Dallas Keuchel, I would be ecstatic. Couple that with Mazara in right and adding Gio to the rotation, I think our guys have quietly had the best offseason of any team so far.

They didn't get a TOR starter like I hoped (Keuchel is not a TOR starter  IMO), but otherwise it's been really good step forward for the rebuild this winter. Fine job White Sox front office.