We could still get Guillen for cheap, by moving Jose either to 3B and 2B to split time with Crede and Graffy, who have trouble hitting against righties.

 

Whoever of the two hits worse against righties gets to sit in favor of Jose.

We could still get Guillen for cheap, by moving Jose either to 3B and 2B to split time with Crede and Graffy, who have trouble hitting against righties.

 

Whoever of the two hits worse against righties gets to sit in favor of Jose.

I would not want to sit Crede for Valentin. Crede is the future, Valentin is the past.

I would not want to sit Crede for Valentin. Crede is the future, Valentin is the past.

First of all, if Sox bomb out in the manner in which they did in 2002-2003, there might not be much of a "future".....at least not until Crede is too expensive to afford, which will be sooner than you think. Chancefor Crede to start and to "learn" to hit righties was when we were out of it in 2001-2002-2003. Now is the time to f***ing produce or sit.

 

If you could get Carlos Guillen for a mill or so (unlikely) to play SS, and if either Graffaino/Harris or Crede hits under 700 OPS against RHP, you can try Valentin either at 3B or 2B.

Crede had a damn good 2nd half of the season, plays great defense and was one of the only players that always moved guys over.

 

He is so far from the problem. And Jose Valentin and his .239 AVG or whatever pathetic number it was, is not more valuable then Crede. Crede is a better defensive 3rd baseman and a better offensive one. And he doesn't make a ridiculous 5 mill.

Crede had a damn good 2nd half of the season

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See, I was under the impression that one season consists of TWO halves, both counting roughly the same in the year-end standings. At least that's what the folk say.

 

plays great defense

 

Not true.

 

Eric Chavez and Rolen are great. Crede at best is "pretty good". He makes too many mistakes and rarely if ever comes up with a tough/highlight play better 3B do.

 

was one of the only players that always moved guys over.

 

True. He also bunts and takes extra bases at will. Scores from 1st....oh wait.

 

He is so far from the problem.

 

I don't know about any "problem", but if he can't hit righties in April (say OPS of 650), he shouldn't be starting against them. Same for Konerko. Same for Graffanino. And Rowand. Valentin and Harris- against lefties. Pretty simple.

 

And Jose Valentin and his .239 AVG or whatever pathetic number it was

 

How pathetic must he have been to finish ahead of Crede in both OBP and SLUG, not to mention RBI per ab. And as much as he sucked in 2003, Jose's

4-year RISP while with the Sox is still over .300.

 

is not more valuable then Crede

 

Against righties? Of course he is. Almost 900 OPS. Whatever little advantage Crede has defensively, Jose offsets with his baserunning.

 

And he doesn't make a ridiculous 5 mill.

 

Yes, when the opposing RHP has a hitter down in the count 1-2, what he is mostly concerned with is how much money the latter is making.

 

 

You're missing the point: a cheap Guillen is more preferable at SS than Jose. But nobody is going to take on Jose's 5 Mill. So, you're stuck with him. You can waste him on the bench or you can sqeeze the maxium out of his ability to hit righties--and more than 3 quarters of all ABs are against RHP. Take your pick.

Brandofan, it also should be mentioned that it was crede's first full year in the majors, yes there is 2 halves, but he showed improvement in the 2nd half which is very important, hopefully meaning he's ready to have a solid whole season this year. I don't know how you can say he didn't make any highlight plays at 3rd, cause he made plenty.

Does anyone know if Gracia had any arm troubles, or is his newly found mediocrity

work ethic/attitude-related?

 

For my money, he was the second best pitcher in AL in 2001, and that was like his 2nd full year in the majors. Electric stuff- fastball with excellent movement topping out at 94-96; excellent breaking ball and idea how to pitch....

 

If he is healthy, after his 2002-2003 seasons, can we pry him away from Ms at under 3-4 Mill? At that price, I'll take 3.70 ERA in a second.

From what i read, the problem is he''s turned into A heavy Drinker and stuff

I am sure it would take more then Konerko to get Freddie Garcia. How about maybe Konerko & Cotts?

 

 

Cotts stays.

 

 

 

There's a decent chance Garcia will be non-tendered, he would get about $9 million in arbitration.

There's a decent chance Garcia will be non-tendered, he would get about $9 million in arbitration.

 

Mariners GM must have done something terrible in the previous life. Spitting in JFK's cereal probably didn't help.

Mariners GM must have done something terrible in the previous life. Spitting in JFK's cereal probably didn't help.

I would like an explanation of what this means.

Where would Konerko play?

 

Didnt Edgar resign and dont they have Olerud.

 

They are trying to dump him, but I assume they want something they can use.

 

Not just 8mil for the bench.

 

SB

Isn't Olerud a free agent? I could be wrong, but I thought I heard that somewhere.

 

CWSOX45

I figure if Freedy gets his mojo back, baby, then roughly:

 

3.20 ERA goes up 20-30 points just becauser he moves to USCF.

 

3.50 ERA further goes up due to him not having M's defense behind him anymore

 

3.70 ERA plus 30 points for hitters knowing him better than 2 years ago.

 

Is 4.00 ERA worth 9 Million? Or even 4-5 for that matter if you're the Sox?

I figure if Freedy gets his mojo back, baby, then roughly:

 

3.20 ERA  goes up 20-30 points just becauser he moves to USCF.

 

3.50 ERA further goes up due to him not having M's defense behind him anymore

 

3.70 ERA plus 30 points for hitters knowing him better than 2 years ago.

 

Is 4.00 ERA worth 9 Million? Or even 4-5 for that matter if you're the Sox?

No, that is why the Mariners are trying and have been trying to trade him. I can honestly see them nontendering him.

   

 

 

Cotts stays. 

 

 

 

I agree, but for obviously different reasons. There is no way you trade Cotts for Garcia. Not even straight up. Garcia is worth a gamble, not one that big.