caulfield12 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 https://www.mlb.com/news/chris-getz-expectations-for-2025-white-sox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I mean you can't get any lower so... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 16 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I mean you can't get any lower so... Challenge Accepted! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 He probably thought the same thing last winter too and look how that turned out. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 (edited) Not going to give him that much credit for everything wrong he did last year that then needed a bigger fix...or patting himself one back for Venable coming on board. For example, Jake McCarthy was the #11 RFer in the game with a 3+ fWAR. Both Getz and Barfield missed on that one. Then not trading for Keachsall...for, well, reasons. That's a swing of 6-8 victories right there...now having Vargas/Fletcher instead. And finally not getting one of the Red Sox top 3 prospects...usually stars for volume prospects doesn't work more than 20-25% of the time. One positive is not just dumping Robert on the market...at least yet. Edited January 24 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 (edited) Also...sure, you might have a Top 3-5 farm system, but you don't have Garrett Crochet or a semblance of a bullpen, and you have a rotation filled with 4/5 starters on any legit playoff-contending team. There's not a single position player that a Sox fan could comfortably bet $100 or $1000 that they would put up a 2+ fWAR season in 2025...Steamer be damned. If hard pressed, it would have to be Robert, C.Montgomery or Teel. Edited January 24 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Chris Getz belongs in a mental institution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 (edited) WestEddy? Tray? Care to rebut that "cruel and heartless" attack? Edited January 24 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Not going to give him that much credit for everything wrong he did last year that then needed a bigger fix...or patting himself one back for Venable coming on board. For example, Jake McCarthy was the #11 RFer in the game with a 3+ fWAR. Both Getz and Barfield missed on that one. Then not trading for Keachsall...for, well, reasons. That's a swing of 6-8 victories right there...now having Vargas/Fletcher instead. And finally not getting one of the Red Sox top 3 prospects...usually stars for volume prospects doesn't work more than 20-25% of the time. One positive is not just dumping Robert on the market...at least yet. Wait a minute. LOL. Are you actually saying that by adding Jake McCarthy, the White Sox would have been 8 wins better? Dude, lay off the sake. You should probably look into the reasons that the Keaschall mega-deal never got passed the first phone call, instead of just pretending that somebody made up excuses. The Twins wanted the Sox to pay down most Fedde's ridiculously low contract for....reasons. Then they told their favorite media mouthpiece to say the Sox just didn't want to trade within the division for...reasons. Weird how you don't actually deal with any factual information. I guess you have your....reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 33 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: WestEddy? Tray? Care to rebut that "cruel and heartless" attack? What in the world are you talking about? Are you referencing your whining about now being able to bet money on White Sox parlays without being 100% sure you will win? How is that an attack? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 11 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Wait a minute. LOL. Are you actually saying that by adding Jake McCarthy, the White Sox would have been 8 wins better? Dude, lay off the sake. You should probably look into the reasons that the Keaschall mega-deal never got passed the first phone call, instead of just pretending that somebody made up excuses. The Twins wanted the Sox to pay down most Fedde's ridiculously low contract for....reasons. Then they told their favorite media mouthpiece to say the Sox just didn't want to trade within the division for...reasons. Weird how you don't actually deal with any factual information. I guess you have your....reasons. Nope McCarthy instead of Fletcher. Plus Fedde vs. Vargas/Keachsall That's TWO transactions which you convenient ignored... And I wrote 6-8 fWAR as a range of outcomes...although knowing what a hypothetical player would have produced on the worst team in baseball is pointless. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/four-minnesota-twins-prospects-make-coveted-top-100-list/ar-AA1xFbx8?ocid=BingNewsSerp Both #45 prospect Keachsall or let's say Jose de Paula would be worth at least twice if not not three times all of Fedde's remaining salary on his Sox contract. It's just that JR would never see it that way...but it was available if Getz could have convinced his owner. Ofc, Luke wasn't officially a Top 100 let alone Top 50 prospect officially until well after the season was over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 14 minutes ago, WestEddy said: What in the world are you talking about? Are you referencing your whining about now being able to bet money on White Sox parlays without being 100% sure you will win? How is that an attack? "Chris Getz belongs in a mental institution." Have never bet on baseball, ever, lol. Just college football bowl season and NCAA BB tourney. Even fantasy football and baseball with no cash involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 While it'd be fun to rag on him for this...do we expect him to say differently? Unless they lose 122+, this doesn't feel like a quote that I (or anyone, hopefully) will be pulling out to dunk on him with like his "we'll play aesthetically pleasing baseball" or "the elephant in the room is we play in the AL Central" quotes. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 17 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Nope McCarthy instead of Fletcher. Plus Fedde vs. Vargas/Keachsall That's TWO transactions which you convenient ignored... And I wrote 6-8 fWAR as a range of outcomes...although knowing what a hypothetical player would have produced on the worst team in baseball is pointless. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/four-minnesota-twins-prospects-make-coveted-top-100-list/ar-AA1xFbx8?ocid=BingNewsSerp Both #45 prospect Keachsall or let's say Jose de Paula would be worth at least twice if not not three times all of Fedde's remaining salary on his Sox contract. It's just that JR would never see it that way...but it was available if Getz could have convinced his owner. Ofc, Luke wasn't officially a Top 100 let alone Top 50 prospect officially until well after the season was over. You have no idea if that was available. That's the fun part about trade rumors. One team floats BS to keep their own fans happy. You conveniently forgot to mention that Keaschall didn't play in the majors last year. Hey, a White Sox fan may work from sun to sun, but a Chris Getz whiner's work is never done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 27 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: "Chris Getz belongs in a mental institution." Have never bet on baseball, ever, lol. Just college football bowl season and NCAA BB tourney. Even fantasy football and baseball with no cash involved. I'll leave the truly childish anti-White Sox swipes for you to giggle at, alone. Edited January 24 by WestEddy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 (edited) https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-white-sox/white-sox-declined-top-twins-prospect-for-erick-fedde/ The answers are all here. Dan Hayes worked in Chicago for years, he’s not just going to make something up. The Chicago White Sox got an underwhelming return for pitcher Erick Fedde. It sounds like the Sox could have done better had they decided to make a deal with their division rival, the Minnesota Twins. The team preferred to trade Fedde outside of the AL Central. .@DanHayesMLB on how certain trade deadline deals didn't get done because teams aren't willing to trade within their division. "You don't want to see your rivals win. ... That's ego." pic.twitter.com/aMihiClgPn — Foul Territory (@FoulTerritoryTV) August 1, 2024 The White Sox were reported before the trade deadline expired to want to avoid dealing within the division, and that was bad business. The Athletic's Dan Hayes is correct when he pointed out that general manager Chris Getz owed it to the franchise to get the best deal possible and not hope the Twins do not win anymore. https://southsideshowdown.com/posts/chicago-white-sox-made-huge-trade-demand-from-division-rival-erick-fedde-before-settling-bad-3-team-deal Getz also asked for three players in his original request, Twins counter was #4 prospect Luke Keachsall. Edited January 24 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 (edited) https://twinsdaily.com/forums/topic/67920-3-factors-that-worked-against-the-twins-at-the-trade-deadline-other-than-money/page/2/ "Why take a lesser package just to avoid trading a guy with 1 more year on their deal to a division rival when you're rebuilding next year anyways? Focusing on other teams when you're rebuilding is a terrible strategy. Who cares where your guys go, especially when they're rentals or on short deals? The focus should be on getting the best possible package to help your team get back to being competitive. If the Sox (or Tigers) did in fact take lesser packages just to keep Fedde or Flaherty out of the division they are going to continue to bring up the rear in the Central." The only way the divisional rivalry would come into play would be if you had two equivalent talent returns on the table. Period. Edited January 24 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: Wait a minute. LOL. Are you actually saying that by adding Jake McCarthy, the White Sox would have been 8 wins better? Dude, lay off the sake. You should probably look into the reasons that the Keaschall mega-deal never got passed the first phone call, instead of just pretending that somebody made up excuses. The Twins wanted the Sox to pay down most Fedde's ridiculously low contract for....reasons. Then they told their favorite media mouthpiece to say the Sox just didn't want to trade within the division for...reasons. Weird how you don't actually deal with any factual information. I guess you have your....reasons. It still would have been worth it for the Sox to include cash with Fedde for Keaschall over packaging him with Kopech and taking back Vargas. At the point Fedde was traded, he was still owed around $10 million left on his contract — $2.5 million for the rest of 2024 and $7.5 million for 2025. And I don’t believe we ever heard how much cash the Twins wanted the Sox to include. So at the very most, the Twins could have been asking for $10 million, but I seriously doubt the Twins expected the Sox to pick up Fedde’s entire contract. The Sox are going to have one of the lowest payrolls in baseball this year but they couldn’t send some cash in a trade last year for a better return than Vargas to improve their team? Moves like taking back a Fletcher over McCarthy and a Vargas over Keaschall add up. There’s a reason we will now have to watch more garbage in RF next year — the suckfest veteran platoon of Tauchman and Slater over McCarthy. And a very nice 2B/CF prospect whose clock hasn’t started would definitely be better than Vargas right about now. Edited January 24 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 36 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-white-sox/white-sox-declined-top-twins-prospect-for-erick-fedde/ The answers are all here. Dan Hayes worked in Chicago for years, he’s not just going to make something up. The Chicago White Sox got an underwhelming return for pitcher Erick Fedde. It sounds like the Sox could have done better had they decided to make a deal with their division rival, the Minnesota Twins. The team preferred to trade Fedde outside of the AL Central. .@DanHayesMLB on how certain trade deadline deals didn't get done because teams aren't willing to trade within their division. "You don't want to see your rivals win. ... That's ego." pic.twitter.com/aMihiClgPn — Foul Territory (@FoulTerritoryTV) August 1, 2024 The White Sox were reported before the trade deadline expired to want to avoid dealing within the division, and that was bad business. The Athletic's Dan Hayes is correct when he pointed out that general manager Chris Getz owed it to the franchise to get the best deal possible and not hope the Twins do not win anymore. https://southsideshowdown.com/posts/chicago-white-sox-made-huge-trade-demand-from-division-rival-erick-fedde-before-settling-bad-3-team-deal Getz also asked for three players in his original request, Twins counter was #4 prospect Luke Keachsall. Unless Dan Hayes was personally brokering any trade talks between the Sox and Twins, all he knows is what a person from the Twins told him. The Twins leaker told Hayes they "thought" the Sox didn't want to deal within the division. And no, it doesn't sound like the sox could have gotten a better deal with they would only trade within the division. Somebody from the Twins floated Keaschall's name after they failed to get Fedde from the Sox. Boy, if it really turns out the Sox got hosed for Kopech and Fedde, how freaking stupid is the Twins GM to be sitting on his thumb while the Dodgers were picking Getz's pockets? Weird how Dan Hayes' pen seemed to run out of ink before reporting that, which is also as true as Getz having gotten an underwhelming return for Kopech and Fedde. And the season right after wanting the Sox to pay the salary for Fedde, and God knows how many other players on their roster, the Twins decide to cut their budget, and not compete in 2026. All the Twins had to do was agree to the 3 players Getz wanted, and they would probably had swept the entire playoffs, and won the World Series. See what I did there? We can all make up things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 17 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Unless Dan Hayes was personally brokering any trade talks between the Sox and Twins, all he knows is what a person from the Twins told him. The Twins leaker told Hayes they "thought" the Sox didn't want to deal within the division. And no, it doesn't sound like the sox could have gotten a better deal with they would only trade within the division. Somebody from the Twins floated Keaschall's name after they failed to get Fedde from the Sox. Boy, if it really turns out the Sox got hosed for Kopech and Fedde, how freaking stupid is the Twins GM to be sitting on his thumb while the Dodgers were picking Getz's pockets? Weird how Dan Hayes' pen seemed to run out of ink before reporting that, which is also as true as Getz having gotten an underwhelming return for Kopech and Fedde. And the season right after wanting the Sox to pay the salary for Fedde, and God knows how many other players on their roster, the Twins decide to cut their budget, and not compete in 2026. All the Twins had to do was agree to the 3 players Getz wanted, and they would probably had swept the entire playoffs, and won the World Series. See what I did there? We can all make up things. Didn’t SoxTalk’s own insider confirm that the Dan Hayes report was right, except he was missing that the Twins wanted the Sox to include cash in a Fedde for Keaschall swap? Edited January 24 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 34 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: https://twinsdaily.com/forums/topic/67920-3-factors-that-worked-against-the-twins-at-the-trade-deadline-other-than-money/page/2/ "Why take a lesser package just to avoid trading a guy with 1 more year on their deal to a division rival when you're rebuilding next year anyways? Focusing on other teams when you're rebuilding is a terrible strategy. Who cares where your guys go, especially when they're rentals or on short deals? The focus should be on getting the best possible package to help your team get back to being competitive. If the Sox (or Tigers) did in fact take lesser packages just to keep Fedde or Flaherty out of the division they are going to continue to bring up the rear in the Central." The only way the divisional rivalry would come into play would be if you had two equivalent talent returns on the table. Period. Dude, you're quoting somebody on a Twins' message board, quoting somebody else on a Twins' message board. The more you flog this dead horse that probably never existed beyond one volley, the more desperate you seem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 24 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Didn’t SoxTalk’s own insider confirm that the Dan Hayes report was right, except he was missing that the Twins wanted the Sox to include cash in a Fedde for Keaschall swap? Here it is… https://www.soxtalk.com/forums/topic/115946-fire-chris-getz/?do=findComment&comment=4650516 Edited January 24 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 22 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: It still would have been worth it for the Sox to include cash with Fedde for Keaschall over packaging him with Kopech and taking back Vargas. At the point Fedde was traded, he was still owed around $10 million left on his contract — $2.5 million for the rest of 2024 and $7.5 million for 2025. And I don’t believe we ever heard how much cash the Twins wanted the Sox to include. So at the very most, the Twins could have been asking for $10 million, but I seriously doubt the Twins expected the Sox to pick up Fedde’s entire contract. The Sox are going to have one of the lowest payrolls in baseball this year but they couldn’t send some cash in a trade last year for a better return than Vargas to improve their team? Moves like taking back a Fletcher over McCarthy and a Vargas over Keaschall add up. There’s a reason we will now have to watch more garbage in RF next year — the suckfest veteran platoon over McCarthy. And a very nice 2B/CF prospect whose clock hasn’t started would definitely be better than Vargas right about now. You have no reason to seriously doubt anything. None of this is known. It was leaked by the Twins' front office to a guy who reports on the Twins, just to distract from the fact that the Twins were having a horrible season, couldn't even manage a reasonable trade with a guy you'd claim was robbed blind by the Dodgers. There was no "taking Vargas over Keaschall" move in reality world, any more than Judge, Cole and Rodon were on the table for the rights to Martin Maldonado. Seriously, Zach Wheeler, the Sox' front office, and Wheeler's agent all agreed publicly that the Sox offered more money than the Phillies and he chose the Phillies, and you would fight to the death arguing that everybody on Earth was lying just to cover for Jerry Reinsdorf. But the Twins feed one pliable reporter a line, and now that's like your religion. I get it. You hate Chris Getz for....reasons. You don't get to claim that pigs can flap their meaty legs and fly just because you hate Chris Getz so badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 12 minutes ago, WestEddy said: You have no reason to seriously doubt anything. None of this is known. It was leaked by the Twins' front office to a guy who reports on the Twins, just to distract from the fact that the Twins were having a horrible season, couldn't even manage a reasonable trade with a guy you'd claim was robbed blind by the Dodgers. There was no "taking Vargas over Keaschall" move in reality world, any more than Judge, Cole and Rodon were on the table for the rights to Martin Maldonado. Seriously, Zach Wheeler, the Sox' front office, and Wheeler's agent all agreed publicly that the Sox offered more money than the Phillies and he chose the Phillies, and you would fight to the death arguing that everybody on Earth was lying just to cover for Jerry Reinsdorf. But the Twins feed one pliable reporter a line, and now that's like your religion. I get it. You hate Chris Getz for....reasons. You don't get to claim that pigs can flap their meaty legs and fly just because you hate Chris Getz so badly. I’ll trust @Y2Jimmy0’s info over your incoherent ramblings. No one cares about Wheeler. The Sox failed at acquiring him just like they did with Machado and Harper. Old news that has nothing to do with this story. Dan Hayes, @Y2Jimmy0, don’t listen to those guys… @WestEddy knows all!!! 🤣 Edited January 24 by WhiteSox2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 9 minutes ago, WestEddy said: You have no reason to seriously doubt anything. None of this is known. It was leaked by the Twins' front office to a guy who reports on the Twins, just to distract from the fact that the Twins were having a horrible season, couldn't even manage a reasonable trade with a guy you'd claim was robbed blind by the Dodgers. There was no "taking Vargas over Keaschall" move in reality world, any more than Judge, Cole and Rodon were on the table for the rights to Martin Maldonado. Seriously, Zach Wheeler, the Sox' front office, and Wheeler's agent all agreed publicly that the Sox offered more money than the Phillies and he chose the Phillies, and you would fight to the death arguing that everybody on Earth was lying just to cover for Jerry Reinsdorf. But the Twins feed one pliable reporter a line, and now that's like your religion. I get it. You hate Chris Getz for....reasons. You don't get to claim that pigs can flap their meaty legs and fly just because you hate Chris Getz so badly. What next, McCarthy and Fletcher weren't both offered...pick one of two, for Mena? What's hilarious here is the White Sox and Tigers both avoided intradivisional trades (the other for John Flaherty) which eventually provided the Dodgers WS MVP Edman Kopech and Flaherty... But they sure showed those pesky Twins!!! Without those three guys, the Dodgers likely don't even get past the Padres, let alone win a World Series. But be careful what you wish for...those frustrations helped lead to a Pohlad Family surrender. They're likely selling the team to even more deep-picked investors like the Ishbia's, making the Sox future competition even stiffer for 2026-2029. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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