Not gonna lie. I don't love the fact that the Rays aren't into Roch. I also don't love the idea of Roch trying to direct where he goes. Both red flags to me.

1 hour ago, DirtySox said:

Not gonna lie. I don't love the fact that the Rays aren't into Roch. I also don't love the idea of Roch trying to direct where he goes. Both red flags to me.

That's like saying I'm not into the prom queen. It's easy to say your "not into" somebody when you have absolutely zero chance at getting them. I put zero stock into that. Who knows if it's even true.

23 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I’d wager some money that all this is posturing and the Sox are taking Roch with the 1.01.

Yeah, I don't buy any of it. I'd confidently put money on it being Roch. I'm not sure if they're trying to drive his price down or if it's just complete BS.

19 minutes ago, ron883 said:

That's like saying I'm not into the prom queen. It's easy to say your "not into" somebody when you have absolutely zero chance at getting them. I put zero stock into that. Who knows if it's even true.

What? In this mock he has the Rays passing on Roch. He falls all the way to the Giants. Three teams pass on the prom queen.

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4 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

What? In this mock he has the Rays passing on Roch. He falls all the way to the Giants. Three teams pass on the prom queen.

Sheesh, for some reason I thought they had a worse pick than #2. I'm used to them always being good.

I still don't buy it though. I think that could be lying on their part while hoping he drops down to them. Would they really be that vocal about how they're "totally out" on the guy and that their scouts don't want him at all?

2 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Sheesh, for some reason I thought they had a worse pick than #2. I'm used to them always being good.

I still don't buy it though. I think that could be lying on their part while hoping he drops down to them. Would they really be that vocal about how they're "totally out" on the guy and that their scouts don't want him at all?

Definitely hard to tell. There's tons of gamesmanship going on. This could all be bullshit, but it's fun to talk about.

14 hours ago, DirtySox said:

the majority of the White Sox scouting department and analytics departments prefer Grady Emerson

If that is really true then I hope that Emerson is the pick and trust that they know more about Rich / Lackey / Emerson than I do.

8 hours ago, DirtySox said:

Rays aren't in on Roch. He is not the guy their scouts or analytics department prefer at all.

This really concerns me to hear and I hope it isn’t posturing. If we take Emerson and the Rays do indeed pass on Roch, I will immediately feel more confident in the pick.

Just really seems tough to pass up on that kid and I’d probably spend a good three plus years obsessing about it.

7 hours ago, DirtySox said:

Not gonna lie. I don't love the fact that the Rays aren't into Roch. I also don't love the idea of Roch trying to direct where he goes. Both red flags to me.

Bingo

My biggest draft question with a week to go. Why is there an assumption that Grady Emerson's ceiling is higher than Roch Cholowsky's?

1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

My biggest draft question with a week to go. Why is there an assumption that Grady Emerson's ceiling is higher than Roch Cholowsky's?

It’s a good question. Outside of the hit tool, where is he superior?

10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

It’s a good question. Outside of the hit tool, where is he superior?

5 points on the scouting grade better speed, but not a Witt Jr./de la Cruz type by any stretch of the imagination.

2 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

My biggest draft question with a week to go. Why is there an assumption that Grady Emerson's ceiling is higher than Roch Cholowsky's?

The reason I assume is because if they have the same upside, then they wouldn't be "neck and neck" as to who should go #1: Roch would be far ahead. No way could you justify significantly higher risk for the same reward. And you mentioned in one of your posts that Emerson is not much on defense. So that would mean he has to have even more potential with the bat to compensate for his given deficits on D.

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5 hours ago, GreenSox said:

The reason I assume is because if they have the same upside, then they wouldn't be "neck and neck" as to who should go #1: Roch would be far ahead. No way could you justify significantly higher risk for the same reward. And you mentioned in one of your posts that Emerson is not much on defense. So that would mean he has to have even more potential with the bat to compensate for his given deficits on D.

The easiest part of this is profiling Emerson as the best draft prospect of the group. He combines the high floor of Willits with the size/power upside of Rainer or Holliday, even if Emerson lacks the overall athletic profile of Griffin. I asked scouts a few years ago if there was a Bryce Harper-level generational prep prospect in the pipeline at any class and the answer was either no or "Emerson if he keeps on this trajectory" -- and I'd say Emerson fell just barely below that standard.

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6 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

The easiest part of this is profiling Emerson as the best draft prospect of the group. He combines the high floor of Willits with the size/power upside of Rainer or Holliday, even if Emerson lacks the overall athletic profile of Griffin. I asked scouts a few years ago if there was a Bryce Harper-level generational prep prospect in the pipeline at any class and the answer was either no or "Emerson if he keeps on this trajectory" -- and I'd say Emerson fell just barely below that standard.

Kiley McDaniel espn

I don’t believe a word of that.

6 hours ago, hi8is said:

I don’t believe a word of that.

What would be McDaniel's motivation?

Both top 2 guys are represented by Boras Corp.

Would something like that really sway anyone at all in any front office? Hopefully not.

It would be even more suspicious if he was pushing Lombard Flora Bell etc., wouldn't it?

Scout are always about potential for bigger impacts down the line versus current peaks or maxxing out.

That's precisely why Lackey got so much late run vs. Cholowsky.

8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

What would be McDaniel's motivation?

Both top 2 guys are represented by Boras Corp.

What? Both Emerson and Roch are represented by Wasserman.