Moniak

[Lip Man 1]

35 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

A rebuilding team should have more young players in their pipeline to play over bad vets and career minor leaguers, especially when their current GM was with the team as director of player development from 2017 to 2020 and the assistant GM from 2021 to 2023.  LOL.

Very well said. A rebuilding team should be looking towards the future with younger players not retreads, has-been's, injury prone guys and stiffs populating the team.

[nrockway]

 

1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Very well said. A rebuilding team should be looking towards the future with younger players not retreads, has-been's, injury prone guys and stiffs populating the team.

Sox are tied 2nd for youngest roster in MLB. Just DFA'd a 33-year-old and replaced him with a 22-year-old. Three 23-year-olds are almost certainly being called up. Seems like that they're doing just that, and if it was the reverse, the players would be "rushed". 

[WhiteSox2023]

20 minutes ago, nrockway said:

Sox are tied 2nd for youngest roster in MLB. Just DFA'd a 33-year-old and replaced him with a 22-year-old. Three 23-year-olds are almost certainly being called up. Seems like that they're doing just that, and if it was the reverse, the players would be "rushed". 

Unfortunately, they don’t have a young outfielder to call up.

[GreenSox]

I'm not pining for Moniak, but I don't see much harm in increasing the churn on some of these org guys that the Sox have in high numbers in Chicago and Charlotte.   

[WestEddy]

15 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

A rebuilding team should have more young players in their pipeline to play over bad vets and career minor leaguers, especially when their current GM was with the team as director of player development from 2017 to 2020 and the assistant GM from 2021 to 2023.  LOL.

None of this makes sense. Teams rebuild because they don't have the established pipeline of talent. If the system was brimming over with future stars, they wouldn't have to trade the few remaining good players they have to actually acquire some future stars. They could just fill the holes with top prospects, and continue winning. 

The director of player development doesn't conduct the draft, and international signings. If they draft and sign bad players, there's nothing to develop. You don't get to complain that Nick Madrigal was a bum who should never have been drafted because he had no talent, but Getz failed by not somehow imbuing him with talent. 

[WestEddy]

13 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Unfortunately, they don’t have a young outfielder to call up.

Then Baltimore should be brimming with pitching talent at their AAA level, right? If you are to be believed, the Orioles completely failed by not having every single position covered in their minor league system. 

[WhiteSox2023]

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Then Baltimore should be brimming with pitching talent at their AAA level, right? If you are to be believed, the Orioles completely failed by not having every single position covered in their minor league system. 

Who cares about the Orioles?  We have a team loaded with crappy players and crappy replacements.

[46DidIt]

8 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Then Baltimore should be brimming with pitching talent at their AAA level, right? If you are to be believed, the Orioles completely failed by not having every single position covered in their minor league system. 

This makes no sense. If we are to believe the Sox have no young outfielder to call up, that means the O's failed to have good starting pitching prospects? One has nothing to do with the other. The Sox in fact have no young outfielders to call up, how's that even questionable

[southsider2k5]

9 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Then Baltimore should be brimming with pitching talent at their AAA level, right? If you are to be believed, the Orioles completely failed by not having every single position covered in their minor league system. 

The Orioles absolutely failed by not taking advantage of a small window as a smaller market team in a division with 2 of the biggest spending teams in baseball by not getting a lot more pitching into the system to match their offensive window.  It is a weird flex to make an excuse for this failure. 

[46DidIt]

Sox should move Braden up to AA, though. I thought it was obvious after ST that he was too advanced for A ball. We're a minimum year and a half away from having any legit OF prospects making the roster

[WestEddy]

23 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

This makes no sense. If we are to believe the Sox have no young outfielder to call up, that means the O's failed to have good starting pitching prospects? One has nothing to do with the other. The Sox in fact have no young outfielders to call up, how's that even questionable

The Sox have made changes to start pumping position player talent into the system, through drafting, international signing, and trades. If a person is complaining that a rebuilding team doesn't have talent for every single position waiting to be called up from AAA, then that applies to all teams. It makes total sense. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

23 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Sheets has over 50 PA’s and blows away anyone and everyone on the Sox right now…despite no Merrill or Cronenworth for protection.

Canario has had all of 20 at bats lol.

There are a lot of lousy hitters in baseball with their careers hanging by a thread at every position.

I suppose when you pick from the bottom of the barrel you factor in things like options the most . Maybe then it's position of weakness or certain skills such as power,  speed,  defense, positional versatility.

Since they are all bums its really easy to pick someone who doesn't perform. Making mountains out of molehills for picking the wrong bum is about the silliest thing ever and is not indicative of much of anything.

This is still a rebuild .The pitching has sustained a lot of damage throughout the entire organization . What was thought a strength is all of a sudden a weakness since much of the higher end depth has gone under the knife.

Seems like the Sox are paying for Robert's health with the health of every other Outfielder counted on for average production.

The losses of games played on the field are not nearly as important to the future of the franchise as are the young players sidelined by injuries . There's a lot less things to follow when the loss of personnel has a trickle down effect on development and wins at nearly every level.

Sox may set a record for most bodies used in a season with the way the roster has been churning.

[WhiteSox2023]

41 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

The Sox have made changes to start pumping position player talent into the system, through drafting, international signing, and trades. If a person is complaining that a rebuilding team doesn't have talent for every single position waiting to be called up from AAA, then that applies to all teams. It makes total sense. 

The Sox have been tanking for years and still don’t have much to show for it other than a bunch of TJ surgeries.

[WestEddy]

33 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

The Sox have been tanking for years and still don’t have much to show for it other than a bunch of TJ surgeries.

This is their 2nd year of "tanking" under Getz. Meidroth and Quero are bright spots, so far. 

[caulfield12]

8 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

This is their 2nd year of "tanking" under Getz. Meidroth and Quero are bright spots, so far. 

Past tense.

Now Meidroth out indefinitely.

[46DidIt]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

The Sox have made changes to start pumping position player talent into the system, through drafting, international signing, and trades. If a person is complaining that a rebuilding team doesn't have talent for every single position waiting to be called up from AAA, then that applies to all teams. It makes total sense. 

OK but we know the white sox don't have any near mlb ready OF prospect either way, whether the fact of the O's lacking sufficient starting pitching is a failure or not

Edited April 21 by 46DidIt

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

46 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

The Sox have been tanking for years and still don’t have much to show for it other than a bunch of TJ surgeries.

Stretch ! Most here were crying about last year because JR mentioned a quick turn around. It was obvious it was going to be the 1st year of a rebuild pretty early to me but apparently not to many others who apparently believed JR as if he's the beacon of truth.

But, frankly ,your narrative is about as honest as JRs.

[Bob Sacamano]

8 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Stretch ! Most here were crying about last year because JR mentioned a quick turn around. It was obvious it was going to be the 1st year of a rebuild pretty early to me but apparently not to many others who apparently believed JR as if he's the beacon of truth.

But, frankly ,your narrative is about as honest as JRs.

He can come out and call it what it is. I believe other owners who have rebuilt have said they are rebuilding prior. No point in lying. Yeah it's obvious but still.

Edited April 21 by Bob Sacamano

[southsider2k5]

13 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

He can come out and call it what it is. I believe other owners who have rebuilt have said they are rebuilding prior. No point in lying. Yeah it's obvious but still.

Not to mention their actions didn't actually match that thought.  If they were really rebuilding, and knew it would be long term because literally everything about this franchise is decades behind, not trading Luis Robert after his breakout 2023 was negligence.

[WestEddy]

37 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Past tense.

Now Meidroth out indefinitely.

Unless you know of sprained thumbs turning out to be fatal, Meidroth will return, and will probably produce at the rate he was producing. 

[WestEddy]

30 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

OK but we know the white sox don't have any near mlb ready OF prospect either way, whether the fact of the O's lacking sufficient starting pitching is a failure or not

They're rebuilding because they don't have prospects at each position ready to step up at AAA. The Orioles are an example of a successful team who doesn't have prospects ready at every single position to step in. Conversation does get to expand to using other teams as examples. 

[southsider2k5]

10 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

They're rebuilding because they don't have prospects at each position ready to step up at AAA. The Orioles are an example of a successful team who doesn't have prospects ready at every single position to step in. Conversation does get to expand to using other teams as examples. 

The Orioles failing to use their surplus talent to acquire talent where they were in deficit is a great example of a GM failing at his job.  In fact, with as much time as you spent crowing about how young hitting talent isn't getting traded, it is probably even worse because the pitching returns for that young talent should have been higher than historical norms because of said imbalance.  But that still doesn't excuse the Sox for having a massive deficit of hitting talent.  It is just an attempt at a handwave to make additional excuses for Getz by dragging someone else's differing failure into the conversation.

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Unless you know of sprained thumbs turning out to be fatal, Meidroth will return, and will probably produce at the rate he was producing. 

You've clearly never had a thumb or oblique injury...then attempted to hit a 95+ fastball.  Hamate bone breaks have screwed up entire seasons, for example.

Edited April 21 by caulfield12

[46DidIt]

8 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

They're rebuilding because they don't have prospects at each position ready to step up at AAA. The Orioles are an example of a successful team who doesn't have prospects ready at every single position to step in. Conversation does get to expand to using other teams as examples. 

Okay you convinced me. I no longer believe the Sox do not have a young mlb ready OFer since I would then have to believe the O's lack of starting pitching is a failure on their part. Thanks for talking sense into me

[WestEddy]

8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

You've clearly never had a thumb or oblique injury...then attempted to hit a 95+ fastball.  Hamate bone breaks have screwed up entire seasons.

Well, it's a good thing that Meidroth hasn't had a broken hamate bone. LOL. I'm dealing with tendonitis in my left thumb right now. Again, he's on the 10-day IL. He's already dealt with this at Charlotte, and came back quickly to hit 3 HRs. 

Dry your tears, old man. You may still ruin somebody's day with your whiney BS, but it won't be mine.